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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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what's up guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to

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this very special uh early morning

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edition for our

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uh pst folks over on the west coast

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including one of our guests two of our

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guests possibly today um welcome

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live stream i haven't done one of these

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in a while so i thought what the heck i

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mean i've been covering historical ufo

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cases from around the world this past

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month everything from

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africa uh russia a few other countries

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regions and um haven't been really

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talking about the recent stuff going on

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in the ufo world lately so i thought who

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better than our friends over at the

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unidentified celebrity review we're

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gonna have luis simenes and jasha on the

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show to talk all about all the latest

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uap stuff with gila brand amendments and

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uh national cathedral event and some

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really interesting breaking news from

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john greenwald over at the black vault

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he might be joining us we're not

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positive yet um he he has kids he's got

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a lot to do before school starts so

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we'll see we'll see if he makes it um if

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not

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i have these two lovely gentlemen with

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me today to uh chat about some of the

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stuff john has been putting out over at

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the black vault as well but without

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further ado i'm going to bring in my two

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guests for today

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luis simenes and jasha what is up

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gentlemen

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ryan

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mr craig

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you both did the same exact salute i

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love you i only because i knew he was

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gonna do that so hey

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i stole

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you can't take the navy out of the boy

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apparently jack

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lou your mic might be off i'm not sure

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or you're doing a really cool hello

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how's that oh there you are i'm better

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okay sorry yeah it's just a little far

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away thank you i feel like that's

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that's your um your sort of thing now

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right because everyone is always like oh

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your mic's off you're myself yeah yeah

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it's it's it's usually a muting problem

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with with uh with the shows where they

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a muted mic yeah yep yep the old uh

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zetterstrom as they call it no for sure

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i almost fell off my chair guys welcome

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to lie to the live stream um man well

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too early to be drinking spring

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uh right right yeah especially for you i

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gotta thank you man i know it's uh

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that's only 10.

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i've been up for four hours

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oh fair enough i wasn't sure if you were

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an early riser or not but uh usually

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pretty early yeah

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okay that's fair that's fair well let's

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say hello to some of our friends here in

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the chat before we really get going guys

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um i don't want to keep you all day and

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night um we got cj awaiting aliens dope

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knows matthew riot as always benji jc

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um welcome welcome everyone uh i'm

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excited because like i mentioned earlier

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um you guys have been killing it over

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there covering everything that's been

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um in the ufo world as of late and

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of course i mean a fi you guys are live

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five days a week between you and

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singularity and um and daniel's show as

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tell me before we really get into the

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meat of everything uh what have you guys

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been covering over at ucr and um yeah

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give us a little uh a little tease i

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guess of what has happened this past

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and all of these wonderful political

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analysts that really know the ins and

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outs of how an amendment works and where

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it goes and who has to pass it who votes

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on it and all the the nuances of

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how washington works um you know so jazz

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leaning on him a lot but that's what

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pretty much since it it's been on the

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radar um and you know of course that

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cover it so i'm glad we're here to talk

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about it today because i'd like to get

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your guys view on it uh because i'm

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still catching up uh just because

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there's been so much we've been so

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making some phone calls and tweeting

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their senators and congressmen or

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writing an email or letter

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a lot of dino beavers is the last month

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we've been uh doing the kgra show now so

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that's been a lot of fun and and lining

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those shows up and talking to some

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people i mean you sent me with peter

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robbins holy cow what a beautiful man uh

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he's going to be on the show this week

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with with avi lopes it's going to be him

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and avi love on friday

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and the discussion i had with peter for

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two hours was just so

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awesome man i cannot thank you enough

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for contacting me with him uh we got to

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talk to you know lee spiegel which has

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been a big big hero of mine and and jazz

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had a little man crush on lee uh while

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we did the show which was fun um

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who doesn't i mean he's so cool

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and i think it's it's becoming easier

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and easier as the time goes by so

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awesome yeah and we've got prime time

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here matthew riot as always andrew hello

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guys um yeah i caught the uh the lee

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you guys covered so much in such

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could have parked hours just on one

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aspect just the just the un trip and all

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so you know here in new york that's what

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lou for you on the freeways in l.a like

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you need something to do jazz too um on

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damn show so you almost got me fired

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well that's that's shout out to artemis

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you guys are in the chat um when we get

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from now stop by artemis's show i'm

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agree to way too much stuff i really you

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lou makes you lou makes people oh stop

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i don't know anybody jazz has been doing

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he's amazing jazz well i mean let's

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it i really can't think of a bigger

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there was nothing in the original senate

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because because that's amazing so

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yeah it uh the the bill passed uh

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cloture last night around eight o'clock

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uh which means that it's cleared to move

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um the senate version of the bill which

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everybody although i shouldn't it's the

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one we like a lot

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uh that's one of hundreds of amendments

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um in the next steps in the process and

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going through and explaining a lot of

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the bill will move on without them

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that they'll put together one or more

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amendments and there'll be a voice vote

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and those the ones they already know

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they're going to pass

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i am crossing my fingers and toes i

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really hope the gilbran amendment is one

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of those

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there may be one or two contentious

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amendments that will have to have their

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own separate debate and vote

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and but even if that happens

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if that's where gillibrand's amendment

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goes i think it would still pass

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all that could be done by

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the beginning of next week

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and then

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it's going to go to reconciliation

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because there's a house bill that exists

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and the two bills have to match exactly

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before they can actually be passed and

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sent to the president's desk

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so they're not going to match exactly

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anything with a lot of spending in it

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and these this bill does have massive

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there's billions of line items of

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spending uh you know for the military

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for the intelligence agencies there's a

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huge black box at the bottom that nobody

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gets to look into and it just says

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450 billion dollars go suck it you don't

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know that okay let's literally say that

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but uh yeah so the senate version and

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the house version they're gonna both

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both chambers will send a committee

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uh that will sit down together and

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everything that matches between the two

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um will just automatically go through

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and then they'll go through line by line

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with all the stuff that doesn't match

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and they'll do horse trading

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and if they can't come to any agreement

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some of those things may get tossed

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but so long as they can come to an

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agreement

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you know some

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if they do they're going to have to talk

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about the uap bill at that point the

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amendment

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uh and match that up against uh the

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golejo's version and if they can't come

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to an agreement worst case scenario then

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it wouldn't then it'd be gone it

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wouldn't happen more likely they're

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going to have to have an initial

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discussion of the funding and one side's

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going to say

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750 million the other side is going to

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say 900 million and then somebody will

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go come on guys 825 you know and

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hopefully it just moves on

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and if that happens it goes to joe

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biden's desk and it's going to get

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signed and i have i told luis earlier

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this week

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i don't want to jinx us but my

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confidence is extremely high i think

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there isn't going to be a fight i think

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the house is going to give way

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to

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almost all of what gillibrand has

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and i think it's going to become law and

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then the clock starts and we're going to

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have a new office and we're going to

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have new reports

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and

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some big things are coming

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i have no doubt um well i want to

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backtrack just a little jazz now um

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you've gone in depth into exactly what's

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in this amendment um some of the you

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know key bullet points that a lot of ufo

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people have pointed out um what

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and i'd like your thoughts on this too

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elise um what are you most excited about

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that you've seen in the gila brand

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amendment that is

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you know light years ahead of the this

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other

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sort of um

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you know build that we saw a few months

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ago uh what what stood out to you is

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like wow they're not messing around

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anymore like this isn't just you know

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what what we saw in the uap report like

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they're going after some big guns now i

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mean department of energy she's

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challenging as well um yeah what really

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stuck out to you within the amendments i

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guess yeah what's big to me because of

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the world that i live and work in is

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probably not the same as what's biggest

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to

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a lot of people in the ufology community

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i mean there's some really exciting

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stuff they want information about

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uh physiological effects on human beings

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that have come you know in contact with

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uap

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uh they're talking about you know

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gathering reports and information not

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just from pilots and flight crews but

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from the entire military from the entire

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intelligence community from civilians

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you know uh all that stuff

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but what excited me the most was the

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muscle

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going to be a funded office and the

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wording that the senate is using if it

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excuse me

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nothing is voluntary it says you will

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supply

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and

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when congress tells them you will do

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this you will do that then they will do

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it or congress will come back and cut

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their funding

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right you know

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and so

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uh this new office asro is you know when

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a report pops up they're gonna have

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people and the authority in the funding

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to immediately go out start asking

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questions look for matching information

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elsewhere and when they go anywhere

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except down

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the black chimneys which i i think we're

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still not going to get any access to um

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in the military industrial complex but

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everywhere else including the air force

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that never wants to talk about it

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including the department of energy who

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never wants to talk about it

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they're going to get to go and say hey

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we need what you have on this and

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they're going to have to give it up or

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face consequences so that was the most

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exciting part for me um i really like

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the heavy muscle and teeth in this but

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louise probably feels something else

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no

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that's that's exactly what i was going

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to say

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um

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and also also well i was going to add to

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that is i love that it has a public

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option here is that

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the the everyday average joe is also

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going to get a report uh possibly more

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than once a year which is really

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exciting um i think with all of this

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also

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and i know john greenwald's here uh and

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i know john greenwald hates leaks i

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personally kind of like leaks i think

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leaks are great i think leaks happen all

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the time in all sorts of different parts

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of government that lead to things

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changing and so um i wouldn't be

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surprised if a couple leaks also happen

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but i think the teeth of the bill the

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the fact that if this office this new

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asro office which is the anomaly

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surveillance and resolution office goes

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to a part of the intelligence community

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and says hey we want all of your files

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on this uap stuff and they come back and

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start giving them static they can say

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okay no problem we'll talk again when we

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have another

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national defense authorization act and

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your budget shrinks by half

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so you sure you want to keep that

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information from us because if you do

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you're going to have a much smaller

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budget next year and they're going to do

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one of two things they're either going

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to stick their heels in the ground and

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stick to their guns and not give up any

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info or they're going to have their

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budget slashed

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that's real power

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that's real that's an office with just

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like jazz said some actual muscle it's

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not a task force with two people this

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this this office is going to have

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a legitimate budget we we sort of were

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were

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speculating on what this budget could be

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jazz says he wouldn't be surprised if

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it's in the one two billion dollar range

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spread out over a couple of years spread

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out over a couple years not every year

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but but that's an actual budget that is

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a real budget

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they could hire people they can they can

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they can really organize this

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information and i think that's sort of

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the

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to be able to

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take those different um

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uh buckets that was laid out in the

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first uh uh unclassified report that we

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got in june and they're gonna really be

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able to establish drone balloon and

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other

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and then hopefully get to a

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determination or a resolution because

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it's in the name of the office they're

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trying to get to a resolution of what

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other is is we got to talk about that

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later but i'm going to shut up because i

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know we got to get john in here and he's

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a bit yeah no absolutely but those those

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are the things i'm super excited about

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thanks man i love that well yeah let's

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we've talked about them enough let's

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bring them in our surprise guest for

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this morning this afternoon mr john

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greenwald welcome to somewhere in the

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skies again my man what's up guys i am

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uh super excited to be here i always

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love uh being on with you guys on

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different shows and you guys are

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everywhere

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well thanks man i know you had a busy

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song

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[Music]

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lou i don't need more broadway this

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morning man i get enough of it

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but um well john um before we get to why

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um why i really have you here some

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breaking news that you just released

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over at the black vault um what are your

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thoughts about where we lay right now

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with the gila brand amendment everything

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going on in the senate and um yeah man

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this stuff is making waves again in the

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mainstream like never before um we're

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seeing some sensational headlines here

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and there um but yeah what do you think

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what do you make of where we stand right

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now with all of this you know it's for

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me it's exciting to see unfold you know

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i mean politicians coming out with new

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bills new language new verbiage they're

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they're they're trying to submit and get

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passed so i split in my my p little

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brain

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i split it in how i view it uh the me

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how i'm excited about it i want to see

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how it unfolds but the other part is the

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researcher in me which is

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i have to work in the now you know and

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right now there's a big

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push back on people like me attempting

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to get information they're locking it

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down

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so even though the language is exciting

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and and again that half of me is you

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know really gung-ho about seeing how it

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turns out uh i'm worried as well you

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know there's part of me that sees the

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writing on the wall that a lot of

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information pertaining to uaps is

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classified uh they're shooting things

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down and that's what makes me fear that

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this office albeit would be a huge

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revelation in itself so i'm not taking

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away from that at all nor am i trying to

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be a negative nancy uh but rather just

555
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,559
more of a realist on this is what

556
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,640
they're doing in trying to

557
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,200
lock things down and even though there's

558
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:15,840
a push for public hearings slash reports

559
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,480
or whatever uh the the final language

560
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:20,799
may ultimately be let's say we do get

561
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,159
more reports i fear the watered-down

562
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:27,120
uh june version uh is what we'll get

563
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,960
we'll get these you know very broad

564
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,159
overview

565
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:32,159
oh there's something but we're not

566
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,840
telling you what it is but sure there's

567
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:36,000
a small percentage of what we don't have

568
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,280
so at the end of the day we're still

569
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,440
kind of left in the dark so i view it

570
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,120
two different ways you know and i don't

571
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,360
want to take away from it it's it's very

572
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,600
exciting and it's really worth it but in

573
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,039
the same respect the writing's on the

574
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,120
wall that the government and military

575
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,640
want to continue what they've done for

576
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,039
decades and push back and say no even

577
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,720
though we're looking into this now we'll

578
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,640
tell you that we are you're not getting

579
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,480
any of it uh and that's what worries me

580
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,559
about here get out of here yeah i know

581
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,880
sign up yeah thanks for your time no

582
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,000
i think you're right i think you're

583
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,200
right that's a huge reality yeah

584
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,720
jazz is like throwing things at his

585
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,480
monitor well

586
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,039
no no no let me disagree with that i i

587
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,200
think i think you're absolutely right i

588
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,799
i can still be excited about the fact

589
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:19,120
that there's going to be a congressional

590
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,320
group

591
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,039
and someone on the civilian side

592
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,440
gathering this information and i'll sit

593
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,880
there like a dog hoping that something

594
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,400
falls off the table onto the floor and

595
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,679
maybe there'll be some things they can

596
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:32,159
release and we can keep pushing for that

597
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,200
but yeah they're probably going to

598
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,039
collect a lot of stuff

599
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,960
that we're not going to get to see

600
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,559
because we have massive over

601
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,840
classification problems the government

602
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,679
everybody knows this

603
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,440
and uh but that doesn't mean that it's

604
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,720
not useful and that they aren't

605
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,440
gathering information and a body of work

606
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,799
that sometimes later might be

607
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,280
declassified you know and even if it's

608
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,280
not they're working on

609
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,880
real issues involving this subject

610
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,320
instead of pretending

611
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,400
it doesn't exist or it's not happening

612
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,919
and i'll make one prediction about john

613
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,320
greenwald our very famous guest that we

614
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,039
all know and love is that he's already

615
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,520
sitting there and going over every

616
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,200
government document that's been put out

617
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,520
about this bill as it goes through and

618
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,360
we're all excited about the language in

619
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,640
the bill and the interviews that are

620
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,880
being done john's over there with pencil

621
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,039
and he's scribbling down every name he

622
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,360
sees and there's probably already been a

623
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,440
hundred foia requests written i would

624
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,440
like all correspondence between this

625
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,919
individual and anyone else who that has

626
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,000
this language in it and by the time they

627
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,840
even get done with the bill john's gonna

628
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,120
have already just drowned them in

629
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,520
requests

630
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,960
here's you know what i really got

631
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,200
excited about uh yesterday during that

632
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,760
political article um and gillibrand's

633
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:45,120
first statements on this bill

634
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,080
i know this sounds kind of dumb

635
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,760
because it's sounding dumb as i'm

636
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:52,080
thinking about it but this idea that her

637
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,120
kids

638
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,200
her children were like mom we want to

639
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,600
know about the ufos you know like tell

640
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,600
us about the aliens and she's like i'm

641
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,880
trying to like i i think there's um

642
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,120
like i don't think and i think this was

643
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,600
a huge fear and the thing that i love

644
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,360
about this is that

645
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,200
the announcement of this amendment not

646
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,919
only with the co-sponsors that hopped on

647
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,159
conveniently after it was announced

648
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,320
because i think they saw politically

649
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,799
speaking this is popular this is

650
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,600
something people want to know about and

651
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:24,400
so

652
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,120
i think that wall of secrecy is i agree

653
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,720
we're not going to get the bodies we're

654
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,320
not going to get the craft we're not

655
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,240
going to get the um yeah

656
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,880
but yet yet and i think that's many

657
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,720
years down the road but

658
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,679
i think that other category starts to

659
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,320
become a little bit more defined

660
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,120
as to what it could be what they think

661
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,919
it is the possibilities of it and just

662
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,240
the fact that you have avril haynes

663
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,400
saying extraterrestrially

664
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,640
these things could be it could be one of

665
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,720
these things uh and then you had

666
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,679
yesterday in this very same article um

667
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,640
uh gillibrand say alien you know and

668
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,960
jazz said that was going to happen this

669
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,520
week don't be shocked if the senators

670
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,760
that word pops out of their mouth i

671
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,520
wasn't in an experience

672
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,080
she said other entities once yeah and

673
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,240
she said the unknown twice in a very

674
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,240
clear reference right and that's and

675
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,000
that's and that's to me that's the thing

676
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,400
that i'm getting excited about is that i

677
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,720
think politicians see it and go

678
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,799
oh this is a chance to maybe get some

679
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,559
votes this is a chance to get a little

680
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,799
bit of popularity or maybe pass a bill

681
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,279
that i want passed because the people

682
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,840
want transparency on this and and this

683
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,440
is what i i've

684
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,279
and i know this is sort of a naive way

685
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,200
to think about it but i think

686
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,640
if politicians can bring truth

687
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,760
and trust through this topic

688
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,080
where else does that bleed into what

689
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,159
other policies and things in america

690
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,720
does that that that start bleeding into

691
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,600
because i think it's apparent that the

692
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,679
more honest and transparent you are no

693
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,480
matter what the topic it's going to win

694
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,200
you political favor and i and i think

695
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,960
that's encouraging

696
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,559
for especially for the senators and

697
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:11,919
congressmen that maybe have been there

698
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
for two decades and they see oh

699
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,960
people just want honesty

700
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,360
okay yeah let me do a little bit more of

701
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,159
that you know what a concept what a

702
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,640
concept right so i think that to me is

703
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,440
where

704
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,919
it gets exciting and and but i agree

705
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,679
with john i think we've got a long way

706
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,840
to go i think there is going to be it's

707
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,919
going to be pulling teeth still it's not

708
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,440
going to be something that just they

709
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,120
barf out of their mouth and all of a

710
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,720
sudden everybody here in this community

711
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,919
is happy i don't think that's the way

712
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,640
it's going to go down but it's fun

713
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,840
to see

714
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,520
that we're living literally in a moment

715
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,400
in history and we get to see it change

716
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,320
right in front of our face it's

717
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,799
happening in real time and that's just

718
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:53,520
that

719
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,720
messy like no one ever said disclosure

720
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,039
if you even consider this disclosure i

721
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,880
know a lot of people do a lot of people

722
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:04,799
don't but um no one ever said it was

723
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,320
gonna be easy or you know clean it's a

724
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,279
messy muddy thing um politically

725
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,000
militarily everything um even

726
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,600
theologically um but yeah i never saw

727
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:18,480
this

728
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,640
conversation in 2021 it's we've come a

729
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,880
long way since kucinich you know even

730
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,200
mentioned he had a ufo sighting let's

731
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,600
look at that um and now look at where we

732
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,520
are with the words e.t and alien and

733
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,480
extraterrestrially which i didn't even

734
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,960
know is a word of being used by national

735
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,200
intelligence directors oh well then

736
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,440
there we go

737
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,880
right there um

738
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,039
we got to move on to john stuff but one

739
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,799
of the points the thing that yeah i

740
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,880
think it goes down another level even

741
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:50,000
deeper

742
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,960
getting

743
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,400
members of congress

744
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,360
getting

745
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:56,720
the civilian side of the pentagon that

746
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,520
are public facing getting them to come

747
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,120
out of the closet to go along and say

748
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,960
things that's a big move

749
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,320
but as i'm sure

750
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,919
i'm not trying to put words in john's

751
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,200
mouth

752
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,799
in the background on the other side of

753
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,080
that wall

754
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,679
there's a whole bunch of those people

755
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,279
that get all that money i was talking

756
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,559
about at the top of the show the money

757
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,240
that's in that black box at the bottom

758
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,720
of the ndaa that you don't get to see

759
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,480
the people that have never wanted to

760
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,000
talk to anybody

761
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,600
they don't care about politics they

762
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,360
don't care how popular it is there's

763
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,360
going to be a lot of them who have their

764
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,600
heels pushed into the sand and it's

765
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,360
going to take dynamite to move them if

766
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,080
they ever move at all just my opinion

767
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,159
not trying to depress anybody but if you

768
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,240
honestly believe there are some special

769
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,320
access programs out there that are

770
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,000
working on you know we always hear all

771
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,840
the typical things has anybody been

772
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,440
doing crash retrieval do they have any

773
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,600
bodies you know all these other things

774
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,279
even if that exists

775
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,559
they're not going to turn around and go

776
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:52,320
oh we didn't know this was popular here

777
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,279
you go

778
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,960
no they're going to be fighting tooth

779
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,240
and claw and they will hide all the

780
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,760
money and they will hide anything that

781
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,679
john greenwald would ever be able to

782
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,039
chase they're not going to let their

783
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,480
documents get out their names aren't

784
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,240
going to get out and there's going to be

785
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,399
a wall that if it ever gets broken down

786
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,360
it's probably not going to be in my

787
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,120
lifetime

788
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,960
challenge accepted jazz challenge

789
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,320
exactly

790
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:13,279
i'll be curious

791
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,000
if if john i want john what do you think

792
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,600
do you think that maybe this this grip

793
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,600
that you see especially through your

794
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,200
foia process

795
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,360
loosens a little bit

796
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,480
in conjunction with nasa in this james

797
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,880
webb telescope like if we in this new

798
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,559
year in the first three to four months

799
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,640
get confirmation of techno signatures

800
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,919
and other star systems um do you think

801
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,159
maybe that will help your job a little

802
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,480
bit as far as getting some of this

803
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:45,760
information

804
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,200
that you're having a hard time pulling

805
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,559
um

806
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,720
it it all kind of depends on the time

807
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:54,960
frame i look at to answer that question

808
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,279
meaning you know if i go back 10 years

809
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,520
it seems like it's easier 20 years it

810
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,600
seems like it's it's getting easier with

811
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,840
all of these developments however if i

812
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,760
look at a time frame of just the last

813
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,960
three years

814
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,960
uh i would respectfully argue it's

815
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,039
getting harder so again just because

816
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,799
i've you know i'm getting old and i've

817
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,559
been around the block long you know in

818
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,399
this general field

819
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,880
to to gauge whether or not it's getting

820
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,720
easier depends on the time frame that

821
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,880
i'm looking at uh and the reason why i

822
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,399
say when you look at a short time frame

823
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,240
it's getting harder is you look at the

824
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,480
public affairs side you're down to one

825
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:31,039
person that speaks for at least four

826
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,000
major

827
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,120
um

828
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,880
entities within the federal government

829
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,679
and military structure

830
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,679
i'm sorry

831
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,440
all right john's fine jess i think it

832
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,120
was you buddy oh sorry about that um so

833
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,120
you know you're down to again the public

834
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:49,200
affairs side you're down to one person

835
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,880
that's fielding all those questions that

836
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,520
in itself makes things very very hard in

837
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,240
september of 2019 that wasn't the case i

838
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,760
was able to get the navy to go on the

839
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,159
record and i extracted information that

840
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,000
said that the gimbal flare and go fast

841
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,080
were unidentified this was before they

842
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,520
ever officially released those videos uh

843
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:09,520
that next year

844
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,080
my point being again you go back two

845
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:14,640
years extracting information was easier

846
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,919
now it's much much harder with the foia

847
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:21,120
also running into roadblocks where

848
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,480
yeah we're taught we're having the

849
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,320
conversation and that's really good we

850
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,320
need to have it we need people like avi

851
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,399
loeb out there people in the scientific

852
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,520
community

853
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,240
willing to take the the challenge uh the

854
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,000
politicians that are willing to take the

855
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,440
challenge all of that is is great but

856
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,320
when it comes to extracting through foia

857
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,399
uh i've had a lot of pushback one thing

858
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,799
i wrote about a week ago was how

859
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,760
everything that was sent to the uap task

860
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,039
force case wise uh was considered

861
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,840
classified 100 percent across the board

862
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,159
now i have appealed that and i have

863
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,159
tried to fight it and that case is

864
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,640
ongoing that's uh only about a week old

865
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,799
uh my appeal case that is

866
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,960
but again my overall point is that it's

867
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,799
it's very difficult because they shut

868
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,360
all that down i still do have hope on

869
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,519
the classified version of the uap report

870
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,240
from june uh i have had a case open for

871
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,159
those who aren't aware uh not through

872
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,080
foia but this is part of the code of

873
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,640
federal regulations that mandates a

874
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,159
government agency has to review

875
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,399
classified information for release

876
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,480
contrary to some what big names out

877
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,159
there have said

878
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,559
the information does not have to be 25

879
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,360
years old that is a huge misconception

880
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:35,600
it can be an hour old it could be three

881
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,679
minutes old and you can file under a

882
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,360
code of federal regulations depends on

883
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,039
the agency but you can mandate that they

884
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,200
review that information for release and

885
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,519
i still do have high hopes that at least

886
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,640
a portion of that classified report will

887
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,039
come out so um it's back to your

888
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:55,120
question

889
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,080
when

890
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,760
loosening of the lip so to speak and

891
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,320
more people are talking uh that sounds

892
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,960
great and it and it is but also the

893
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,240
other part of me goes why are they

894
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,480
talking you know why

895
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,399
nasa i think i have a

896
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,480
personal opinion this isn't

897
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,360
meant to be the the the fact uh that i'm

898
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,360
laying down here again please do share

899
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,840
the facts john speculation only on the

900
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:21,840
nasa side but i but that doesn't

901
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,320
surprise me that uh a nasa head like

902
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,919
that would come out and start talking

903
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,240
about aliens because if somebody who

904
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,440
heads nasa doesn't believe in that uh

905
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,960
why would you give them funding you know

906
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,720
like why would they lead nasa that's

907
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,120
kind of a default position that that i

908
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,279
would hope that they would take uh and

909
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,720
if he comes out and says i believe

910
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,799
aliens are out there great that's why

911
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,480
we're giving him money because he's he's

912
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
got that mindset to to traverse the

913
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,480
cosmos if on the other end you got a

914
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,240
nasa director going yeah we're probably

915
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,000
the only ones but maybe we'll find algae

916
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,640
somewhere it's like okay well that's

917
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:57,039
really dumb um you know that's not fair

918
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,080
though i mean

919
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,000
i could can you remember any other nasa

920
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:02,399
administrator kind of speaking as openly

921
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:03,360
and

922
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,679
nelson i can't i can't

923
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,000
you know you're absolutely right but um

924
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,320
he's connecting it to the verbiage of

925
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,559
the time which is the uap and potential

926
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,720
extra terrestrially

927
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,880
that's for you jazz extraterrestrially

928
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,679
connected phenomena and so i think uh

929
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,279
very much i think luis you were saying

930
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,279
it about how these buzzwords are

931
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,399
creating popularity so they just use the

932
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,080
buzzwords and all of a sudden they're on

933
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,000
the spotlight of every major news

934
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,600
organization for having commented on

935
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,399
ufos uh in the same respect he may be

936
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,640
doing that as well life in the universe

937
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,279
has long been talked about uh by nasa i

938
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,960
mean that's why they do stuff like the

939
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,279
hubble like all of these sky searches

940
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,559
you know through different space based

941
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,720
systems and stuff like that uh sending

942
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,679
probes

943
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,399
again looking for life in my opinion

944
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,120
scientifically that's the same thing uh

945
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,360
but bill nelson is simply attributing it

946
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,000
to the buzzword of today which is

947
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,279
the the uap topic and he segued from

948
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,600
that to life in the universe and then

949
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,720
that one

950
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,720
panel that he did like six months back

951
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,079
or whatever it was he threw it to one of

952
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,119
his scientists question was about uaps

953
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,800
but then the scientists went all about

954
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,040
pretty much the astrobiological side of

955
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,000
this and looking for life so that that's

956
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,599
not me taking away from what they're

957
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:23,040
saying don't get me wrong what they're

958
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,800
saying is is amazing uh but in fairness

959
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,720
i think that they're connecting it to

960
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,040
the buzzwords of today but nasa has long

961
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,800
talked about life in the universe and

962
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,079
that's what they do i mean they're

963
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:35,839
they're i think john's right but i would

964
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,960
also hate to underscore the evolution of

965
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:41,359
bill nelson keep in mind bill nelson has

966
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,159
been

967
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,599
in the military

968
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,280
in the government at

969
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,359
various levels uh

970
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,599
an astronaut he's been in public life

971
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,480
for

972
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,159
way over 40 years

973
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,560
and never a peep nothing about any of

974
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,359
this

975
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,119
and then it was like somebody threw a

976
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,880
switch at the beginning of the year and

977
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,800
now you can't get the guy to shut up

978
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,119
about aliens you know he's down there at

979
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:05,040
the national cathedral he was answering

980
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:06,160
a totally different question and they

981
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,520
were getting ready to move on without

982
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:10,000
being asked he jumped in and said wait

983
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,440
wait i haven't even talked about

984
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,160
extraterrestrial life yet you know and

985
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,160
everybody stops and in my mind i could

986
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,320
see someone in the pentagon perhaps

987
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,560
susan goff sitting there face palming

988
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:21,680
and going

989
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,119
get this guy off the freaking train

990
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:26,960
you know she got out of her ice cream

991
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,240
truck and just started

992
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,320
hey john i'm wondering that that 10 to

993
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,400
20 you said if it's 20 years back in

994
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,000
time it's been a little bit easier to

995
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,760
grab that information versus three years

996
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,560
ago

997
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,560
is that a

998
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,160
is that

999
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,440
because

1000
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,599
the systems are a little more sensitive

1001
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:47,200
and classified from three years ago

1002
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,960
versus 20 years ago or or are you not

1003
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,960
asking for things that are revealing

1004
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,839
these classified operating systems

1005
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,960
no i think that uh in 25 years a lot

1006
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,640
changes um

1007
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,800
and and first and foremost after 25

1008
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,560
years of doing this i still learn things

1009
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,079
about the foia all the time i don't

1010
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,599
think there's such a thing as a foia

1011
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,280
expert because there's so many different

1012
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,680
facets to it but with that being said i

1013
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:13,920
think that after 25 years you learn how

1014
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,800
to look for information different um and

1015
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,800
so that's why again a little bit easier

1016
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,119
just because you've learned to navigate

1017
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,680
the waters so to speak to to get the

1018
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,920
information on top of that too on their

1019
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,680
side technology changes to where they

1020
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,599
can search for information better you

1021
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,640
know when i'm filing in 1996 as a 15

1022
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,040
year old kid you know and i'm i'm asking

1023
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,280
for things uh their search engines their

1024
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,920
databases their organization a lot of

1025
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,320
that has been transformed in the last 25

1026
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,280
years so them searching in 1996 is a lot

1027
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,079
different than them searching in 2021 so

1028
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,720
that also kind of kind of adds to it

1029
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,040
when it comes to classified systems and

1030
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,520
asking to for that to be searched i have

1031
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:58,960
not uh kind of uh faltered from asking

1032
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,240
for classified information um so so if i

1033
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,480
understood what you meant correctly uh

1034
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,320
that hasn't changed with me i've always

1035
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,599
gone after

1036
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:09,839
both unclassified level information and

1037
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,640
classified information uh in in these

1038
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,359
foia searches uh i i can't think of an

1039
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,359
instance where i said you can omit

1040
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,440
classified information from the scope of

1041
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,520
the search which you can do by the way

1042
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,280
to help expedite it because then there's

1043
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,280
really kind of very little review

1044
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,640
process for unclassified only material

1045
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,359
and in fact i do take that back i i did

1046
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,359
file a request for unclassified only

1047
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,040
information when i found out that the

1048
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:37,359
gimbal flare and go fast were considered

1049
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,880
unclassified from their inception so uh

1050
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,960
i had done a request attempting to find

1051
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,599
any other unclassified level again just

1052
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:48,240
to expedite that that

1053
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,240
angle of trying to search for things

1054
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,000
came up negative but

1055
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,240
um you know that that would probably

1056
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,240
that's a super rare instance i've ever

1057
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,839
done that

1058
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,760
seven well i we do have a super chat

1059
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,520
here i'll get to it quick yeah i didn't

1060
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,800
even mention guys if you want to help

1061
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,640
out the show super chat's open you can

1062
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,720
ask questions of our guests get your

1063
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,599
comments highlighted um but john um yeah

1064
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,520
before we move on if you wouldn't mind

1065
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,000
answering what cj asked there um do you

1066
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,720
have a lawyer or an attorney that helps

1067
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,720
you with this sort of stuff if it gets

1068
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,200
sticky or muddy or um yeah how does that

1069
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,359
work in your world yeah sure no it's a

1070
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,839
great question uh i've none on retainer

1071
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,400
for foia related matters uh over the

1072
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:30,240
years though i have had the honor and

1073
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,079
privilege of being associated with quite

1074
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,680
a few very well-known

1075
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
uh attorneys that deal with these

1076
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,200
matters uh i don't like to name drop or

1077
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,400
anything so i don't want to point them

1078
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,240
out but they're very well known in the

1079
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,240
arena where we have all kind of come to

1080
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,760
know each other and i don't take

1081
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,880
advantage of the friendship and and um

1082
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,040
being colleagues so to speak i'm not an

1083
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,480
attorney but just just kind of working

1084
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:52,160
in the same arena try not to take

1085
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,440
advantage of it but sometimes when i

1086
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,040
have a legal question i'll reach out to

1087
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,119
them most of what i do on a legal sense

1088
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,720
i've kind of just taught myself over the

1089
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,920
years

1090
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,920
i think i was a lawyer in a past life

1091
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,040
somewhere

1092
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,200
i worked with a lot of legal issues in

1093
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,960
television production rights and

1094
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,440
clearances issues and stuff like that

1095
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:10,960
and although that sounds completely

1096
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,839
unrelated very much legalese is is very

1097
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,920
you know very much related depending

1098
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,000
upon the topic it it you can kind of

1099
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,599
attribute the skill set you learn from

1100
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,760
here and and just kind of change the

1101
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,079
wording and and associate it over here

1102
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,240
and it kind of still fits so when i do

1103
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,240
appeals and stuff from a legal

1104
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,680
standpoint uh i don't at this point have

1105
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,200
really a need uh for the attorney

1106
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,760
when you get into litigation uh that's

1107
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,200
that's when you essentially bring

1108
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,520
somebody in that's much smarter than me

1109
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,520
to fight it in the court systems i just

1110
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,800
haven't had a

1111
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,520
a real reason to do it um because those

1112
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,599
are those are tough cases and that's why

1113
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,599
those when you hear about freedom of

1114
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,760
information act cases they're done by

1115
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,359
these gigantic

1116
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,520
you know either non-profit organizations

1117
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,400
or major media outlets i will say jason

1118
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,839
leopold who's an investigative

1119
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,560
journalist right now he's uh at buzzfeed

1120
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,400
he was a vice news prior

1121
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,839
he's written about some of my stuff over

1122
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,880
the years

1123
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,640
i pinpoint him because when you look at

1124
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,400
what he's done

1125
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,400
and he's got more lawsuits i think in

1126
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:16,960
the foia arena than anybody he's backed

1127
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,240
by major media outlets to help him you

1128
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,240
know not probably not only finance it

1129
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,480
but also the name behind it helps in

1130
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,200
those types of lawsuits so whole point

1131
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,760
being it's very very difficult when you

1132
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,640
get into judicial review to do that when

1133
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,400
you're one person when you're a media

1134
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:36,000
outlet or a major non-profit it's a

1135
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,280
little bit easier

1136
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,800
i just dm'd you a question by the way

1137
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,680
because i don't want to take up the

1138
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,960
whole show maybe it's something you can

1139
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,720
address on one of your shows later on or

1140
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,079
something

1141
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,920
okay thanks chez thank you for answering

1142
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,800
that john um well let's uh let's move on

1143
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:51,680
to um your latest

1144
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,880
a success um and that was some breaking

1145
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,359
news that you brought today a new

1146
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,960
navy uap case that to your knowledge my

1147
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,119
knowledge a lot of us out there has not

1148
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,839
been made public yet so um see if this

1149
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,400
works yep there it is um there's your

1150
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,160
latest so john yeah if you don't mind

1151
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,400
man running us through a little bit of

1152
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,040
what this is what you found whatever you

1153
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,119
want to share with us absolutely yeah

1154
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,880
this was this was fun he explains that

1155
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,040
let me just jump backstage

1156
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,800
and i was going to say john says there's

1157
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,800
no such thing as a foia expert but there

1158
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,589
i've been called worse bend the knee

1159
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,480
but i appreciate that um

1160
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,480
so yeah so this this was a pretty cool

1161
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,760
find uh

1162
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,960
and again i'm not sure how much your

1163
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,640
audience likes foia stuff so i'll go

1164
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,160
over this very briefly i did a much

1165
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:44,240
longer video which i integrated into the

1166
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,200
article

1167
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,520
that kind of shows the paper trail but

1168
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,680
very quickly

1169
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,760
those who do navigate foia what i always

1170
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,599
recommend is you look at every single

1171
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,440
character and word on a document because

1172
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,520
there are leads in everything

1173
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,760
for example that that

1174
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,079
unclassified version of the uap report

1175
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,200
in june uh only nine pages i filed more

1176
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,079
than 50 cases out of that

1177
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,839
when i first read it i was really let

1178
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,440
down but then when i

1179
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,960
you know took a deep breath and said

1180
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,720
okay there's something here and then

1181
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,760
read it again 50 different cases stemmed

1182
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,520
out of that so you look for everything

1183
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,400
and these were documents i got in 2019

1184
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,400
and there was their internal

1185
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,640
communications from the u.s navy

1186
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,079
all about

1187
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,040
uaps and i targeted certain individuals

1188
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,680
jazz was was not joking when he says i

1189
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,839
look at names and and try and pick up

1190
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,520
who to go after because that's exactly

1191
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,680
what i did with this where you look for

1192
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,520
those names and then go after material

1193
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,280
look for program names go after material

1194
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,599
look for dates go after material so this

1195
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,920
particular one was in a stack of you

1196
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,319
know hundreds of different pages and

1197
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,880
they mentioned this ola weekly about a

1198
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,280
briefing to some staffers assuming at

1199
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,680
the time they were senate staffers

1200
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,920
about a uap program office now that

1201
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,480
wasn't 100 accurate but i knew that this

1202
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,040
ola weekly would be something to go

1203
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,359
after now ola is office of legislative

1204
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,200
affairs and within the u.s navy what

1205
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,480
they essentially do is work with

1206
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,560
congress the senate on legislative

1207
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,000
issues communications uh senators and

1208
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,400
congressmen will get involved in va type

1209
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,040
issues uh and so so again they've got a

1210
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:23,200
multitude of of things that they deal

1211
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,920
with

1212
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,160
and every week they have this ola weekly

1213
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,160
that talks about all of the

1214
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,920
various issues and it is very

1215
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,599
wide-ranging i publish the entire

1216
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,599
document you can get it so i started

1217
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,280
chasing this and it took more than two

1218
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,319
years to get this ola weekly it could be

1219
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,079
nothing like when you file for your

1220
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,440
request no idea what you're going to get

1221
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,640
could be gold

1222
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,480
it could be a complete waste of time

1223
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,920
thankfully this one

1224
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:47,520
was

1225
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,359
got the ola weekly and

1226
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,280
what they were referring to internally

1227
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,440
at the navy was partially accurate it

1228
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,079
was about uaps or in this particular

1229
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,240
instance they talked about anomalous

1230
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,560
area aerial vehicle

1231
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,319
encounters that were briefed to the

1232
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,640
senate armed services committee psms are

1233
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,720
professional staff members

1234
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,960
and then it shows you the date 16

1235
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:17,680
january the document was 2019 so this is

1236
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,480
2019. an fa-18 pilot from vfa 103 met

1237
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,560
with the senate armed services committee

1238
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,400
they named the people here they blacked

1239
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,599
those out

1240
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:29,040
the armed services committee staff

1241
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,480
members have continuing interest in

1242
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,720
unidentified aerial vehicle intercepts

1243
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,839
that have occurred in the working

1244
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,480
airspace off the u.s east coast and this

1245
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:38,319
is the designator for the pilot which is

1246
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
redacted gave a detailed brief on his

1247
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,119
personal encounter

1248
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,440
short and sweet but you start dissecting

1249
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:46,880
that that we know that there was a

1250
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,560
briefing on 16 january 2019 uh brian

1251
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,240
bender was about three to four months

1252
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,880
out from breaking his story on the navy

1253
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,119
guidelines that went out so the time

1254
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,200
frame of these are very fascinating to

1255
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,640
kind of hone in on

1256
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,040
based on alex dietrich's twitter posts

1257
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,880
for those who pay attention she had

1258
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,960
posted with a time stamp when her and

1259
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,240
david fravor were in front of the

1260
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,400
capitol building pay attention closely

1261
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,000
to that photo you'll see the date at the

1262
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,400
top which was 2018. that's one of the

1263
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,359
earlier briefings that i'm aware of that

1264
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,440
you kind of pick up and go make a mental

1265
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,520
note and go okay 2018 they were doing

1266
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,880
these briefings at least with dietrich

1267
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,200
and fravor what else was there this was

1268
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,200
january of 2019

1269
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,200
his personal encounter where we can rule

1270
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:31,599
out fravor uh simply because he was not

1271
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:35,920
vfa 103. we can rule out um

1272
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,280
ryan graves uh danny i i've never known

1273
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,000
the pronunciation of la alcoin uh

1274
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,160
forgive me if i've botched that uh they

1275
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,079
were profiled by the new york times uh

1276
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,440
the roosevelt encounters they were at um

1277
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,640
uh with the uss roosevelt uh off the

1278
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,560
southern coast of the east coast

1279
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,920
uh vfa 103 is stationed at nas oceana

1280
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,160
which is in virginia beach virginia so

1281
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,599
you start dissecting this and you

1282
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,599
realize absolutely nothing that we know

1283
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,000
of that i can recall and i invite

1284
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,560
anybody to please please correct me

1285
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,440
uh

1286
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,200
this sighting is brand new

1287
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,040
so we know it would happen either

1288
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,839
january of 2019 or prior

1289
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,680
they're part of vfa

1290
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,880
103 and vfa 103 is known as the jolly

1291
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,760
rogers again stationed at nas oceana in

1292
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,000
virginia so

1293
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,440
all evidence shows that this particular

1294
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,640
sighting within this squadron uh was

1295
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,960
brand new and so that came out from this

1296
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,319
ola weekly

1297
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,000
what's new today i published this

1298
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,440
yesterday i did reach out to the

1299
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,000
pentagon had nothing by the time i wrote

1300
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,280
the article i have updated it today

1301
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,800
and the pentagon said that the entire

1302
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,560
briefing was classified and they will

1303
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,119
not be commenting on it so i could not

1304
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,200
get confirmation on

1305
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,680
you know is this a publicly available

1306
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,440
like a [\h__\h] like you know was this the

1307
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,400
pilot that became part of vfa 103

1308
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,200
he shot the the gimbal video and so he's

1309
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,599
there testifying you know can you say

1310
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,079
anything uh no it was completely closed

1311
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,200
off because it was classified so um

1312
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,520
cool little gem in my opinion because it

1313
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,720
adds even though we know that there are

1314
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,720
more cases we haven't heard about

1315
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:19,920
this locks it in in an official release

1316
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,319
and for those who are either just more

1317
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,280
of the

1318
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,040
spectators and want to know more

1319
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,880
information it's a small piece of the

1320
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,520
puzzle but a piece nonetheless for the

1321
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,200
researchers out there like myself you

1322
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,960
look at that and now that branches off

1323
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,280
into trying to figure out okay now we

1324
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,359
have documented proof a briefing took

1325
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,400
place

1326
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,640
what that means is i was able to file a

1327
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,319
case right before i published the

1328
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,720
article filed a case with the us navy

1329
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:47,040
for everything that was relating to the

1330
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,160
briefing

1331
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,880
because i would imagine but can't prove

1332
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,160
yet but this case will bore this out uh

1333
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,599
that they would have to approve the

1334
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,680
information that was going to be

1335
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,800
presented to the senate staffers uh or

1336
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,359
took part in creating the materials or

1337
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,520
submitted videos of the uap encounter

1338
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,480
who knows

1339
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,119
but my guess is something was there so

1340
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,599
this establishes a foundation and then

1341
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:13,359
the cases go from there and we see what

1342
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,319
happens

1343
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:17,040
and you said you found 50 of them john

1344
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,240
uh

1345
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,349
from the uap report in june just to i

1346
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,880
was using that as an example that you

1347
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,720
always look for little gems this

1348
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,480
particular one spawned maybe two or

1349
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,599
three

1350
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,400
wow hey that's all we can ask for

1351
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:34,800
that's amazing john i mean um

1352
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,839
yeah i don't jazz are muted oh jazz is

1353
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,720
muted um before we move on i do have

1354
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,880
another super chat here the end game for

1355
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,720
elizondo melon is not only disclosure

1356
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,559
but also to get dedicated new government

1357
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,000
branch with hundreds of billions of

1358
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,240
dollars per year funding for human

1359
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,800
non-human relations um so john is kind

1360
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,920
of entering into exopolitic territory

1361
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,400
with that um i don't know do you guys

1362
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:00,960
think with everything that's happening

1363
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,079
right now are we moving towards sort of

1364
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,160
an exopolitical uh

1365
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,400
landscape with all of this or is it much

1366
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,160
too early to even

1367
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:12,480
make a educated guess on something like

1368
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,549
do you have a button that you can hit on

1369
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,160
your nope it

1370
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:27,839
unmute guess it was all me he's right

1371
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,440
on me oh i'm trying

1372
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,160
our first snafu of the day jazz i'm

1373
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,079
gonna um take you out and bring you back

1374
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,480
in is that cool brother

1375
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,960
yeah cool um yeah just click on the link

1376
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,839
again if you don't mind jazz over on

1377
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,599
twitter thanks man

1378
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,440
all right all right now that he's i knew

1379
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,760
this yeah yeah right

1380
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,839
jazz we love you i knew something would

1381
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,760
go wrong and it was definitely on my end

1382
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,880
um

1383
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,480
yeah what do you guys think do you do

1384
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,079
you have anything for me it's pro i mean

1385
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,839
i don't want to blab too much i just did

1386
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,839
but uh for me it's too preliminary i

1387
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,760
think it's a government military

1388
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,920
absolutely works in a step process

1389
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,160
i think their first step is taking uap

1390
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,319
seriously which it seems like they have

1391
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,079
establishing a research base but i think

1392
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,480
that they're far off from doing a

1393
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,440
non-human contact

1394
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:20,079
uh research angle

1395
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,200
um

1396
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,599
so yeah for me it's a little bit too

1397
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,359
preliminary and there's a lot of private

1398
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,640
organizations that have worked on

1399
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:28,960
communications like not only seti

1400
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,599
uh but i believe the other one is uh

1401
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,359
medi m-e-t-i

1402
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,119
uh i may have that acronym wrong but

1403
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,599
that's by dr doug veykoch who i

1404
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,720
interviewed oh yeah years ago uh for a

1405
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:43,040
discovery channel show that i'd produce

1406
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,400
and it's amazing when you get into

1407
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,800
extraterrestrial communications and you

1408
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,760
know who

1409
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,599
who speaks for humanity and what was

1410
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,520
amazing in that and this is a whole show

1411
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,119
in itself i won't go off on a tangent

1412
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,400
but

1413
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,400
essentially like

1414
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,760
in my opinion

1415
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,839
the scientific community on a worldwide

1416
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,920
scale is kind of clueless on who will

1417
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,640
actually speak for humanity some groups

1418
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,440
have an angle and some groups want to be

1419
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,000
the ones that may speak for humanity but

1420
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,119
there's like no worldwide global

1421
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,680
initiative to say if aliens show up who

1422
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,760
leads the charge is it the u.n is it

1423
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,800
america is it you know who is it um is

1424
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,880
it the dolphins maybe uh you know you

1425
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,920
never know

1426
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:25,839
who definitely not the miami dolphins

1427
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,440
they're there yeah hot garbage

1428
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:30,240
so

1429
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,680
get the the government in on that

1430
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,160
and fund research on it uh i don't i i

1431
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,400
don't see we're close to that

1432
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,800
okay yes as far as a non-human

1433
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,119
exopolitical landscape i kind of agree

1434
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,280
with john but from a human exopolitical

1435
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,800
landscape i think we're getting pretty

1436
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,880
close and we've established the space

1437
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,200
force uh just the other day you know

1438
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,000
russia blew up a satellite and and we

1439
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,760
forced the international space station

1440
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:00,319
to go into essentially a space bunker

1441
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,200
um you know so i think from there is

1442
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:04,960
exopolitics is where i think we're

1443
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:08,240
getting closer and closer to that one

1444
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:09,119
how

1445
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,960
element or conversation into the

1446
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,480
exopolitics

1447
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,760
arena

1448
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,680
i'd say we're a few years out from that

1449
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,760
we still have a long way to go just we

1450
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:22,400
just need to as a government as a nation

1451
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,359
understand there is a there there they

1452
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,599
are there there is something in the sky

1453
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,839
that our government cannot decipher or

1454
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,559
understand and it's an issue because

1455
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,920
we don't know what it is we don't know

1456
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,160
what the intentions are and that's what

1457
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,680
this bill

1458
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:39,280
is looking to

1459
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,240
uh

1460
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,800
give resolution to so

1461
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,480
when i wrote that article about will

1462
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,640
anybody be saying the word aliens that

1463
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,640
was one of the things i kind of touched

1464
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,640
on i'm just curious what you guys think

1465
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,520
uh

1466
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,040
you know particularly ryan what do you

1467
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,520
think if we have asrow

1468
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,240
working you know hand in hand with

1469
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
members of congress

1470
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,319
if they come out and actually say the

1471
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,079
words as they've started to like we

1472
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,240
don't know yet but maybe this

1473
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,160
could be extraterrestrials i i think

1474
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,640
john brings up an excellent point

1475
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,160
has anyone in the united states

1476
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,800
government ever spent any time saying

1477
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,359
well what if it is what do we do then do

1478
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,559
we have a plan do we have a like

1479
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,480
would we try to make contact if that's

1480
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,319
even possible if they decide to get

1481
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,520
hostile

1482
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,440
could we even defend ourselves i mean is

1483
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,119
that something do you guys see that

1484
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:31,359
office tackling like because it seems to

1485
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,160
me

1486
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,800
like whether or not it turns out

1487
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,040
to be because we don't know yet but if

1488
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,400
it does turn out to be the a word

1489
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,559
shouldn't we have some sort of plan in

1490
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,040
place like what happens next well yeah

1491
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,680
jazz um and you know i we've got one

1492
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,240
more story for john um that he's gonna

1493
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,000
share with us but to answer your

1494
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,800
question i would turn to your guy's

1495
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,640
interview with lee spiegel you know

1496
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,240
there have been these rumors of these

1497
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,839
manuals throughout the years whether it

1498
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,400
was the air force or um other branches

1499
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,400
of the military on how to deal with

1500
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,960
these things if they were to happen um

1501
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,640
so i mean

1502
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,480
lou what do you think after hearing lee

1503
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,640
talk about that manual that he uncovered

1504
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,720
through the work of i mean i read the

1505
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,359
title right yeah yeah i read the manual

1506
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,440
it's absolutely mind-blowing but some

1507
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,640
people in the discord we had a

1508
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,480
discussion about it after the show and

1509
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,760
the discord i'm curious to know the uh

1510
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,200
the editors

1511
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,760
uh and uh military personnel who wrote

1512
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:32,000
the manual i want to also see what else

1513
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,119
they wrote

1514
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,200
and and do a little background on on

1515
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,680
them uh before you know we could call it

1516
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,920
a smoky gun but it was really cool and i

1517
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,359
know john's got to leave here in a few

1518
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,200
minutes so if we could get to his second

1519
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:45,280
story that would be awesome yeah

1520
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,160
absolutely

1521
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,079
i'm so so sorry normally i would want to

1522
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,599
stay longer i just got to bounce out of

1523
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,920
here at 11. absolutely let's do it no

1524
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,119
yeah what's this

1525
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:55,520
thing yeah what's cool is this may

1526
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,119
actually be a kind of a fun segue to to

1527
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,799
go back to what jaz said really really

1528
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,799
quickly about the question of who speaks

1529
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,040
for humanity can we fight them off

1530
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:07,040
um i did that show for discovery where

1531
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,400
we talked about extraterrestrial

1532
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,839
communication and even though that was

1533
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,079
quite a few years ago now what my

1534
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,000
biggest takeaway was that we really just

1535
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,040
don't have a plan for the communication

1536
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,119
i was later hired to do a show for

1537
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,240
history channel about if aliens attack

1538
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,920
how why would they do it and how would

1539
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,319
they do it and could humanity survive

1540
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,839
and it was all about all these different

1541
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,400
scenarios the the series was all these

1542
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,559
scenarios that you know could

1543
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,640
potentially end the human race or see

1544
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,720
where we might end up

1545
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,440
i got the alien episode of course uh and

1546
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,640
essentially you can see that we would be

1547
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:45,520
left in the dust and and that is such a

1548
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,119
fascinating topic i could bore you to

1549
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,799
death for hours on but

1550
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,400
doing those shows though it really made

1551
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,960
me realize that humanity is not ready as

1552
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,000
a collective whole to communicate or god

1553
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,160
forbid fight off what's interesting

1554
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,680
though is and that's kind of the lead

1555
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,119
into this

1556
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:02,960
when it comes to fighting them off is

1557
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:06,359
extraterrestrial warfare uh that is this

1558
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,119
1965 document now really quickly it

1559
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,040
showed up on ebay for those that saw

1560
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,839
this on um twitter i think it kind of

1561
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,520
gained a little bit of traction this

1562
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,480
isn't how much did you pay for it john

1563
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,040
well you can you can see nothing by the

1564
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,109
you can see here a million dollars right

1565
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,520
that so and this is an active

1566
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,440
uh active listing right now so this is a

1567
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,520
live view of of ebay they still have

1568
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,359
it's a million bucks and there really

1569
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,599
wasn't anything i mean it's a legit copy

1570
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,079
it did look legit to me uh simply

1571
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,280
because of uh the way that the

1572
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,640
stamps were

1573
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,559
the different downgrade to unclassify

1574
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:48,480
all that actually looked really legit so

1575
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:51,680
i assumed that it was a real document

1576
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,599
and it was made by the combat operations

1577
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,680
research group or korg

1578
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,599
this is through the us army at the time

1579
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,760
in the in the mid 1960s they did these

1580
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,599
types of research papers

1581
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,440
and so this

1582
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,440
cool guy wanted a million bucks he

1583
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,960
wanted a smooth mill

1584
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,200
for this thing uh and really didn't give

1585
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,839
anything away of what the document was

1586
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,240
about you know a little abstract here so

1587
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,079
i chased it through foia and quite a few

1588
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:18,640
months later uh ended up getting it and

1589
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,349
[Music]

1590
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,079
you know i because uh what i'm i have a

1591
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,280
ebay uh account and i was gonna text the

1592
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,880
the link to the guy

1593
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,280
with no with no message just texting the

1594
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,240
link

1595
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:44,160
just say hey look

1596
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:45,200
so

1597
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:49,280
it's about essentially fighting uh in

1598
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,720
the space domain

1599
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:52,799
and and uh you know they use the word

1600
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,720
extraterrestrial warfare um and you see

1601
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:57,520
how

1602
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,319
fight in a space environment this was

1603
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,920
1965.

1604
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,480
and even though these types of papers do

1605
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,640
not and you they even say it in the

1606
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:10,880
front they don't necessarily refer

1607
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,240
reflect the views uh of the either

1608
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,160
author or the

1609
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,799
uh united states army so it's uh that's

1610
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,720
their disclaimer that this isn't an

1611
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,960
official view it's still interesting

1612
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,960
because they they write these papers and

1613
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,960
they sanction these papers in some cases

1614
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,440
they fund these types of research papers

1615
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:31,839
to look into stuff like this

1616
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,400
and and this was again 1965 they were

1617
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,880
talking about warfare in space

1618
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,880
and how we would fight it in different

1619
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,480
environments and stuff like that if we

1620
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,720
were to establish let's say a lunar

1621
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,440
outpost and got attacked you know how

1622
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,119
somebody has to go to ebay and go into

1623
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,960
the comments and go or you could get it

1624
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,040
for free from john

1625
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,520
put a link in there yeah like oh dude

1626
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,040
sorry to ruin your retirement i was just

1627
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,680
gonna say guys our super chat's open if

1628
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:59,119
you guys want to donate and get to a

1629
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,200
million dollars today yeah we'll get

1630
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:02,480
there

1631
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,880
thank you yeah

1632
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,960
this is so cool when you brought this to

1633
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,640
me last minute i'm like yeah we have to

1634
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,240
cover this please yeah and that's why i

1635
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:14,000
was like kind of a couple minutes past i

1636
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,200
was really trying to get back into my

1637
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,920
office and then this literally popped in

1638
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:20,400
uh to my email i'm bringing it up really

1639
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,280
quick

1640
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,680
so yeah it was about 45 minutes to an

1641
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,079
hour before you asked me to come on and

1642
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,599
i was like all right i can get that done

1643
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,359
and now so i was kind of finishing up a

1644
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,799
couple things unrelated to the black

1645
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
vault and then trying to get that on i

1646
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:34,240
was like if you give me until 10 15.

1647
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,240
wait you guys will love this is there

1648
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,400
anything quickly anything that you read

1649
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,079
in here that you found interesting that

1650
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,920
maybe could lead you on another foia

1651
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,680
rabbit hole uh

1652
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,280
i'll be honest with you since i

1653
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,480
literally have not just gotten it

1654
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,480
no usually a lot of times what you do is

1655
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,400
you jump to the references

1656
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,480
i mean obviously the meat of the the the

1657
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,920
paper here that i'm kind of thumbing

1658
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,040
through

1659
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,880
you're going to get a lot of information

1660
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:00,640
but it's usually the references and

1661
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,680
sadly this document has none uh but

1662
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,240
references in the back give you

1663
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,720
literally sometimes hundreds of leads

1664
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,240
and what the references are are where

1665
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,240
they like the footnotes stuff like that

1666
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,640
so if they get a fact from somewhere

1667
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,880
they talk about a program name they'll

1668
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,520
have like a number two or three or four

1669
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,680
and then you go to the footnote uh kind

1670
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,599
of like what wikipedia does right so you

1671
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,040
read the whole article and then at the

1672
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,880
bottom they have all of those those

1673
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,799
references and footnotes same with

1674
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,400
government documents so you always look

1675
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,280
for that this sadly didn't have anything

1676
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,920
but it does kind of go into a detail

1677
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,119
about

1678
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,280
you know the struggles of warfare

1679
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,079
i didn't notice any program names but i

1680
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,400
i did note

1681
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,040
that the uh cover is secret uh that it

1682
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,720
was stamped secret so one time this was

1683
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,280
a secret at a on a secret level uh

1684
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:53,200
usually in papers like this the reason

1685
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,240
why

1686
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,480
the reason was that in 1965 something

1687
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:58,880
they talked about in here uh gave it a

1688
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,240
secret uh designator uh later it went

1689
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,160
down to confidential which is the lowest

1690
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,319
level and then it was uh unclassified

1691
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,559
here and

1692
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,960
let me see it doesn't have the date

1693
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:13,680
hey akashi chris we have our first ebay

1694
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,960
fund for it so thanks chris sorry john

1695
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,119
no no that's okay uh you're almost at

1696
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,920
the mill 1965 you said

1697
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,480
yeah 65 it was written 74 fully

1698
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:26,880
declassified to an unclassified level

1699
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,880
but this is a prime example though of um

1700
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,319
even though documents are at an

1701
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,720
unclassified level doesn't mean they're

1702
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:36,640
really readily available to the general

1703
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,520
public and and not to give you a cheesy

1704
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,000
end here but that's why i do what i do

1705
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,160
you know is that now we don't have to

1706
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,400
pay a million dollars to see some guy's

1707
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,720
copy of this we don't have to go to some

1708
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,720
obscure library that has a collecting

1709
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,640
dust you know in a corner somewhere

1710
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,640
because i did find a few references to

1711
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,000
it in

1712
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,920
uh not public libraries but like

1713
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,680
military uh

1714
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,440
you know military libraries that they

1715
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,720
were archiving a copy of it um and

1716
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,240
that's all problematic because you have

1717
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,480
very few places to get it when i got

1718
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,240
this through foia you can see what i did

1719
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,400
put it online now anybody can download

1720
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:15,359
it for free and and and get it so that

1721
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,160
really has always been kind of a

1722
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,079
main focal point of the black vault even

1723
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,400
though i love ufo secrets and jfk

1724
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,640
assassination material stuff like that

1725
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,240
it's just the collective whole of being

1726
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:27,680
able to share this information with

1727
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,319
other people doesn't cost you anything

1728
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,920
you go on there can download it and

1729
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,440
there you go so

1730
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,920
um so yeah that's uh that's where we're

1731
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,000
at john this ties into the question i

1732
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,880
dm'd you but if you don't mind just real

1733
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,400
quick before you have to go no problem

1734
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,400
when you received this document because

1735
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,079
i can't tell just by looking at it i

1736
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,000
haven't been to your site yet obviously

1737
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,680
and i will go be digesting this later um

1738
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:53,760
is this digitized like is it searchable

1739
01:02:59,029 --> 01:02:57,039
or is it just a series of scans

1740
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,039
uh so it was not searchable when i got

1741
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,359
it it was a series of scans that the

1742
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,760
army sent me through a digital copy

1743
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:05,359
through email

1744
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,640
a lot of times when they make these

1745
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,240
they're either not knowledgeable enough

1746
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,839
or they don't know how or they don't

1747
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:12,640
care to make it a searchable document so

1748
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,720
before i posted it you can see here i

1749
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,240
made it searchable that's how why you

1750
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,319
can highlight the text so everything

1751
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,559
that's readable by the ocr software that

1752
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,039
i use uh is then

1753
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,280
made into searchable text once it gets

1754
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:27,200
into search engines and stuff people

1755
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,960
will be able to find it

1756
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,480
and then they can find it you know on

1757
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,359
the uh actual page that i created that

1758
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,079
precedes it which is this one here that

1759
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,000
is so awesome man and for people who

1760
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:40,079
don't know um i wrote an article about

1761
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:41,440
this recently

1762
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,200
john has like all every imaginable jfk

1763
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,359
assassination document and none of them

1764
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,160
were searchable until he got them he has

1765
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,400
an entire library i correct me if i'm

1766
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,319
wrong i think the total number of pages

1767
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,200
document it goes into the millions and

1768
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:59,440
john created this like 3 000 page long

1769
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:02,000
index and you can search everything if

1770
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,200
you want to find out something about

1771
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,960
that so that's awesome because the

1772
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,480
government doesn't do the work but

1773
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,319
john's doing that work

1774
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,640
yeah jfk ass i thought that's what you

1775
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,960
were searching for you know it's just a

1776
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,079
trick you don't have to spell the whole

1777
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,599
word and it'll pop up

1778
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:17,680
um no this is i didn't i didn't quite

1779
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,480
realize i did i blasted ass on your show

1780
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,000
right now

1781
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,559
that's sweet jfk ass that's what you get

1782
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,319
here on somewhere in the skies yeah i

1783
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,079
mean john if you want a point of that

1784
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,720
i'd be the first to read it sir that's

1785
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,440
uh

1786
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,799
that's it that's a different that's a

1787
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,880
different black different yeah

1788
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,240
different show

1789
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,400
yeah so this is this is what jazz is

1790
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,599
talking about so it's it's a full

1791
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:41,599
database and and jazz is absolutely

1792
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,119
right i thought about this in the back

1793
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,799
of my head while he was talking

1794
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,559
that when when nara the national

1795
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,559
archives released uh through the trump

1796
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:50,799
administration those documents they did

1797
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:54,720
so in the worst way possible and

1798
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,400
they did so you couldn't search them you

1799
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,799
had to download these gigantic zip files

1800
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:00,240
none of which worked for the first

1801
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,920
couple of days or it was very hard to

1802
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,480
get in so once i got all the data i just

1803
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:05,839
literally started a process and

1804
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,240
converted everything so you can see here

1805
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,079
all the different releases download them

1806
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:11,760
39 gigs

1807
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,640
of of information of pdfs that you can

1808
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:16,720
download but all searchable and like

1809
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,240
jazz says there's a 3032 page index to

1810
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,640
break it all down yeah um but but that's

1811
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,760
incredible

1812
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,480
it was uh yeah it was a big challenge uh

1813
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:27,359
for

1814
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,359
everything but uh case in point though

1815
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,200
the government even though you you have

1816
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:35,760
freedom of information and the freedom

1817
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,039
to information uh essentially

1818
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,680
you've gotta sometimes work to make it

1819
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,480
work for you and creating these types of

1820
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:47,680
databases and and searchable uh

1821
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,400
pdf documents and stuff is not always

1822
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,920
easy to do but

1823
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,200
that's what i've tried to do here is

1824
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,799
just make it uh make it easy for

1825
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:55,760
everybody

1826
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,319
thank you john does all this for free by

1827
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,240
the way are you looking for a good place

1828
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,880
to go support john has his own youtube

1829
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,039
channel there's a number of ways he

1830
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,880
doesn't charge anybody for any of this

1831
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,319
anybody can go to the black vault if you

1832
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,480
want to go research jfk assassination

1833
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,160
you're not going to pay a goddamn dime

1834
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,240
and you can sir text search all that

1835
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,200
stuff i'm still in awe i'm amazed by the

1836
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,359
work you do sir i appreciate that jazz

1837
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,440
you're hired as my personal pr

1838
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:23,680
well john i i'll end with saying you

1839
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:26,799
were the reason i ever got my first ever

1840
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,319
foia response um had you not showed me

1841
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,480
how to do it properly because i did do

1842
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,880
exactly what you said i went to

1843
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:35,839
some

1844
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:38,720
department and said give me file ufo

1845
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,400
tehran just give it to me and of course

1846
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:44,240
i came to you and said is this how i

1847
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,039
should do it and walk me through

1848
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,520
like how which department to go to which

1849
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,000
might have something keywords to use and

1850
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,839
without you doing that um i would not

1851
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:55,839
have it framed here in my apartment my

1852
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,319
first ever response so i do have to

1853
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,319
thank you for that in everything you do

1854
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,400
man um i don't think a lot of people

1855
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,960
realize how hard you work on this um to

1856
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,440
get this stuff out to the public so um

1857
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,119
i gotta i just push some buttons and

1858
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:10,799
hope for the best but thanks no you

1859
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,720
don't we all know we know there's a lot

1860
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,079
just to just

1861
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,760
just to butter up john's buns before he

1862
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,200
gets out of here the people that you

1863
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,920
inspire that that are sort of caring

1864
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,280
starting to pick up the torch on the

1865
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:25,280
stuff that you do for example britain

1866
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,960
wonderland or even um uh

1867
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,280
sean rash over at witness citizen like

1868
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,599
they they're they're they're following

1869
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,880
your lead and they're getting some

1870
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,280
really cool documents and and you know

1871
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,200
not getting any answers of course like

1872
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,960
all of us but

1873
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,799
they're finding some cool stuff and it's

1874
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,319
and it's fun to read and it's fun to

1875
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:46,480
talk about it's fun to to to look at so

1876
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,160
that's all thanks to you man you know

1877
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,599
you that's awesome you've got the

1878
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,240
machete you're cutting the the the path

1879
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:53,920
for all of us and we just get the follow

1880
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,480
so it's cool thanks man no it's it's my

1881
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,400
pleasure i love hearing that too i've

1882
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,480
always been a big advocate for

1883
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,559
for teaching people how to do that you

1884
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,240
know and setting them up i call it a

1885
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:05,760
journey you know we're all on our own

1886
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:08,720
journey and we may not always agree as

1887
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,280
we travel our our respective paths but

1888
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,160
man it it's such an awesome feeling to

1889
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,400
hear stories like that so thank you guys

1890
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,960
for for saying that all around thank you

1891
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,560
totally sincere

1892
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,239
absolutely man well before you go

1893
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:24,080
obviously please let us know where we

1894
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,440
can find everything you're up to the

1895
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,080
podcast um and your website everything

1896
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,159
give it to us i appreciate that yeah the

1897
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,719
the easiest way is theblackvault.com

1898
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,640
that gives you the social media roadmap

1899
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,159
i'm pretty active on twitter and

1900
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,480
facebook mostly when it comes to social

1901
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,359
media youtube i have two channels one

1902
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,960
which is the original content called the

1903
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,440
black vault originals and then the other

1904
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,040
is more of the archive the government

1905
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,679
videos and stuff like that uh always

1906
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,279
wish there were more hours in the day

1907
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,080
but uh but i do post when i can so yeah

1908
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,759
i appreciate the opportunity coming on

1909
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,000
and chatting with you guys and hopefully

1910
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,560
uh we'll all get to hang out again soon

1911
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,040
absolutely man well thank you for coming

1912
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,440
um have a great afternoon my man and i

1913
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,440
know this is only the beginning of the

1914
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,440
journey so have a great afternoon thank

1915
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,600
you guys have fun

1916
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,120
later my man

1917
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,520
ah buttering up john's buns another

1918
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,520
thing we didn't think we would have

1919
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,679
it was funny man is it my brain i was

1920
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,080
like damn it i wish i was in vegas right

1921
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,960
now because i would put the over under

1922
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,560
where would you guys put the over under

1923
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,719
at eight minutes before 11

1924
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,279
if john was gonna finish at 11 and he

1925
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,960
always goes over even though he said i

1926
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,199
gotta leave at 11.

1927
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,279
there's no way there's there's no way

1928
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,960
you're gonna be here for at least five

1929
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,040
more minutes over this yeah because yeah

1930
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,960
well i mean i was thinking that through

1931
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:45,359
the whole thing it's like i i got i'm

1932
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,839
gonna be doing artemis prime uh in

1933
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,319
50 minutes and i i came into this

1934
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,679
knowing if you get the four of us

1935
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,840
together and start talking

1936
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,159
i it just it flew we didn't get to half

1937
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,760
the stuff i know

1938
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:01,440
it can stay a little longer if you guys

1939
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,000
want to do it but cool i i was just like

1940
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,719
i know how every show i've done i've had

1941
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,800
i've interviewed ryan for our network

1942
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,560
i've been on with john before and of

1943
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,880
course all the stuff on ucr you always

1944
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,640
think it's like okay i got this schedule

1945
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:16,480
we're going to talk about a b and c and

1946
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:17,760
this is going to be great people are

1947
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,000
going to like it and three minutes into

1948
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,080
it it's like holy [\h__\h] did i tell you

1949
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,320
what happened this one time you know and

1950
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,520
everybody's got stuff and it's always so

1951
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,840
enjoyable you know and it's you just get

1952
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,000
lost and the time just evaporates it

1953
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,159
flies man and yeah i mean i don't want

1954
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,679
to take up all your time before the next

1955
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,840
show jazz so we'll move on to sort of

1956
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,360
the last thing i wanted to talk to you

1957
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,360
about um you let me know when you gotta

1958
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,520
go brother you gotta warm up before the

1959
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,120
next show take a little break whatever

1960
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,560
you need let me know now what i really

1961
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,000
need to do is get rid of the water and

1962
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:49,679
soda and get a martini before the next

1963
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,480
show

1964
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,080
talk to some witches

1965
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,560
that is the dirtiest water and soda i've

1966
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,640
ever seen

1967
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,280
no it's just it's coke the ice melted oh

1968
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,199
okay okay okay all right i was like wait

1969
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,199
what's going on i'm thinking i'm just

1970
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,600
thinking about it new york water man

1971
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:08,400
trust me i know that's the best water he

1972
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:09,600
he's right

1973
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,880
really

1974
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,560
what was it ryan go ahead see here we go

1975
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,120
again i know something fun together and

1976
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:19,280
it's like that's what i do feel the

1977
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,880
audience going get on to the ufo

1978
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:25,360
money play get on with it we're going to

1979
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,480
talk about

1980
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,360
our future in space event at the

1981
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,880
ethanol national cathedral november 10th

1982
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,159
um i'm just going to run through the

1983
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,040
summary really quick guys um space is

1984
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,640
the new frontier of humanity please

1985
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,640
excuse the siren in the background nasa

1986
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,159
is planning a new generation of

1987
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:44,320
exploration scientists are debating the

1988
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,000
possibility of e t life um what does the

1989
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:50,640
space rush mean at a moment when private

1990
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,600
citizens are launching spaceships and uh

1991
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:55,679
the national director of intelligence

1992
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,880
has released a report assessing uap

1993
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,040
which we're all familiar with now um as

1994
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,800
we look toward the heavens what does the

1995
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:05,040
possibility of life out there mean for

1996
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,360
our religious life um crazy i know on

1997
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,520
ucr you guys did like a three hour

1998
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:13,520
review of this thing right after it

1999
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,040
ended which was awesome um so yeah let's

2000
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,520
get your perspectives maybe a week or so

2001
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:21,920
out from this thing uh speakers were

2002
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,000
avril haynes uh avi loeb bill nelson and

2003
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,640
even freaking jeff bezos showed up at

2004
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:30,800
this thing um so

2005
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:34,239
my god i again the world is just

2006
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,320
bizarro right now when it comes to this

2007
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,320
topic i can't believe we're having these

2008
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,880
conversations but is this a new show or

2009
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,640
a movie when you're watching that's all

2010
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,800
i'm thinking go ahead louise yeah

2011
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,320
nude yeah what do you think of this

2012
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:48,239
whole thing yeah

2013
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,840
and i'm gonna play a clip too but yeah

2014
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:51,440
give us your name i thought it was

2015
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:53,199
awesome i thought it was fun to watch it

2016
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,480
was a really cool setting uh in a church

2017
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,880
um it was i loved the organ at the

2018
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,400
beginning of it you know it almost felt

2019
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:03,199
like a star wars award like a medal

2020
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:09,910
he's supposed to have avi loeb

2021
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,800
and i believe uh bill nelson and then it

2022
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,040
sort of ballooned into avril haynes and

2023
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:17,600
jeff bezos uh in the theologian that we

2024
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:18,960
saw at the end i'm forgetting his name

2025
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:22,719
right now um you know it wasn't

2026
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:23,520
it

2027
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:26,560
a

2028
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,120
sitting in the room being like hey you

2029
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,360
know we knew we need more funding we

2030
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,120
need more funding we need more people

2031
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,360
who are interested in this uh you know

2032
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,960
we need a hundred million dollars to

2033
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,320
really look at this and he's right he

2034
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:05,920
needs that hundred million dollar range

2035
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,560
to sort of really tackle this

2036
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,320
i am curious we're going to have avi on

2037
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,000
the show friday

2038
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,480
i'm curious to know how

2039
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,080
because the first time we spoke with him

2040
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:18,080
it was he didn't want government help he

2041
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,280
didn't want

2042
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,560
anything to do with the government

2043
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,719
because he doesn't want his data to be

2044
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,280
classified or restricted in any way he

2045
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,840
wants it to be open and and available to

2046
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:30,000
everyone as soon as it's available so

2047
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,440
i'm curious to know

2048
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,840
how does the galileo project and this

2049
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,280
bill

2050
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,000
a government amendment how

2051
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,560
they're going to coexist that's really

2052
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,840
what i'm curious about and how that

2053
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,159
connection was made i'm assuming it's a

2054
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,640
christopher mellon luellazando thing uh

2055
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,480
but you know well i guess we'll get some

2056
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:50,880
a little bit clearer answers to that um

2057
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,400
but yeah i mean dude it's

2058
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:56,560
anytime you can get

2059
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,360
religious uh leaders

2060
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,920
um a director of national intelligence a

2061
01:15:05,790 --> 01:15:04,239
harvard scientist

2062
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,800
and and um

2063
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,600
[Music]

2064
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,080
and just great thinkers overall in a

2065
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,760
place where they can talk about this

2066
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,159
and nobody sounded crazy

2067
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,320
nobody sound nobody got made fun of

2068
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:21,440
there was no post like oh look at these

2069
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,560
you know tin foil hat people like it was

2070
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,040
it's a conversation that is now

2071
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,280
starting to be picked up by politico it

2072
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,520
started being picked up uh i just saw

2073
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,920
the new york magazine just put out an

2074
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,280
article oh yeah

2075
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:36,880
what's happening with this gillibrand

2076
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:40,000
amendment it's intelligencer too yeah

2077
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,390
it's not coming we're in the middle of

2078
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,000
it right now we're in the middle of it

2079
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,000
yeah well um jess before we get your

2080
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,360
thoughts brother if you guys don't mind

2081
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:53,120
i'm gonna play the small clip that was

2082
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,480
kind of the highlight that the

2083
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,280
mainstream picked up on with um again

2084
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,040
avril haynes the director of national

2085
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:01,440
intelligence so um bear with me while i

2086
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,560
get this

2087
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,800
set up here and um then we'll just

2088
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:06,719
comment on this and then jazz you go get

2089
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,159
ready my man

2090
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:09,840
so uh

2091
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,440
dna hands on this topic of of life out

2092
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:14,560
there

2093
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:17,360
you issued an extraordinary preliminary

2094
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,280
assessment in june on unidentified

2095
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,080
aerial phenomena this is the new term of

2096
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:27,280
art to summarize that report you studied

2097
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:30,960
144 reports from u.s government sources

2098
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,920
80 had multiple sensors that have made

2099
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,159
the identifications in 18 of these

2100
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,000
instances

2101
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:40,560
observers i'm quoting reported on usual

2102
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,360
uap flight characteristics

2103
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:45,360
you sorted these into five different

2104
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,480
bins

2105
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,199
the last call just other

2106
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,600
i want to ask you to share with the

2107
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,080
audience your takeaway after the

2108
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:57,520
completion of that report and what your

2109
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,480
own view is as you look at the evidence

2110
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,239
yeah i mean i think the bottom line is

2111
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,760
that we don't understand everything that

2112
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,600
we're seeing and that's probably not

2113
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,080
surprising to anybody in many respects

2114
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:11,040
but it is it was a report that really

2115
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,719
congress asked us to

2116
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,440
produce a report that assessed what we

2117
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,360
saw as the threat essentially from

2118
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:19,520
unidentified aerial phenomena

2119
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:20,480
and

2120
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,080
of the different reports that we had

2121
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,159
identified and it stretched over from i

2122
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,520
think 2004 through to 2021

2123
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,199
the different reports that you identify

2124
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:33,760
that you indicated 144 of them and we

2125
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,400
had different categories as you said so

2126
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,320
one of them was airborne clutter another

2127
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,760
was natural

2128
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:42,080
uh you know phenomenon

2129
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,719
uh another was um foreign adversaries a

2130
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:49,920
fourth one was uh related to sort of u.s

2131
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,400
government or industry developmental

2132
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,719
programs and then the fifth one was

2133
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,600
other

2134
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,400
and that basically indicated that we

2135
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,000
were pretty sure we weren't going to be

2136
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,000
able to characterize every single one of

2137
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,640
these reports in the various categories

2138
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,800
that we'd identified because frankly we

2139
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,960
were not able to understand everything

2140
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,320
about it and

2141
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,400
a large portion of that is based on the

2142
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:14,239
fact that we don't have a consistent way

2143
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,320
of reporting this information we need to

2144
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,560
integrate frankly a lot of data that we

2145
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,320
get we need to get better at collecting

2146
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,159
information that's useful to us from

2147
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,000
different sensors

2148
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,000
that are available to us and we have to

2149
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:28,000
deepen our analysis in these areas and

2150
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,640
that's something that you know frankly

2151
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,400
probably also doesn't surprise you in

2152
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,000
the sense that that's how we typically

2153
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:36,560
approach our intelligence work and the

2154
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,960
main issues that congress and others

2155
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,640
have been concerned about are basically

2156
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,159
safety of flight concerns and

2157
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:44,000
counterintelligence issues but of course

2158
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,159
there's always the question of

2159
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:47,840
is there something else that we simply

2160
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:49,600
do not understand that might come

2161
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:56,229
wow okay

2162
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,880
um let me get rid of this that was great

2163
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,679
damn extra terrestrially

2164
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,080
um while it may not be a real coordinate

2165
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,480
here it's official

2166
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:10,159
because

2167
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,880
so

2168
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,560
it's a word now

2169
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:13,840
i mean what do you guys think according

2170
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,000
to her title she's honorable associate

2171
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:17,840
it's got to be a word right for anybody

2172
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,520
who who cares um i i know because i i

2173
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:23,199
get poisoned because i deal with so many

2174
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,800
people in political twitter as compared

2175
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:27,360
to ufo twitter all the time

2176
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:30,080
anybody who thinks that avril haynes is

2177
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:31,600
you know if you think well well she

2178
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,280
works for this administration and not

2179
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:35,920
that one and maybe i shouldn't trust her

2180
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,320
she's not a political person she's never

2181
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,560
been she came out of the same stable as

2182
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:42,560
luella zondo she came up through the

2183
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,440
intelligence ranks and if you think wow

2184
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,800
women don't do that well then you can

2185
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:49,120
kiss my ass but she's been doing this

2186
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,400
forever

2187
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:52,719
you know and she knows how the system

2188
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,440
works and i thought it was very brave of

2189
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:56,400
her

2190
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,719
that very frank fashion

2191
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,159
and i

2192
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,920
i won't even go into the details i'll

2193
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:04,880
just say

2194
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,840
i'm impressed she's bold enough because

2195
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:09,199
the government is often fearful of

2196
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,880
saying we don't know because they don't

2197
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,400
want the populist to be panicked it's

2198
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:14,000
like you don't know you're the ones

2199
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:15,360
running everything

2200
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:17,199
and you know she's

2201
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,520
she's bold enough to come out and say

2202
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,120
yeah we're trying to find answers for

2203
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,440
you because this is important but no the

2204
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:25,360
fact is we don't know yet

2205
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,320
and

2206
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,000
we we're looking at possibilities we're

2207
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:30,000
using the best tools and methods we have

2208
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:31,679
we need to improve those

2209
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:35,199
but i i really i loved what she did and

2210
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:35,920
i

2211
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,400
there's not much she can say because

2212
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,360
they don't know yet um that's again yeah

2213
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,760
what do you want to say oh it's aliens

2214
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,040
right you know well she doesn't have an

2215
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,800
alien to show us

2216
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,639
or the other i mean if you're

2217
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,960
conspiratorial minded and i i've had

2218
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:07,120
moments like that myself if you think

2219
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,639
they have those things

2220
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,400
but they've decided it's national

2221
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:12,960
security and they can't show us

2222
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:15,520
well she can't just show up on tv and

2223
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,880
talk about something that hasn't been

2224
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,800
declassified that's what john was

2225
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,199
talking about she has limits on her too

2226
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,679
but she was at least willing to say

2227
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,840
you know there's stuff that we see we

2228
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:27,040
need to know about this this is

2229
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,600
important and at least as far as she's

2230
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,920
able to tell us it's like

2231
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,520
we don't know what it is but we're open

2232
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,280
to possibilities and we're going to put

2233
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:37,199
new tools in place and we're going to do

2234
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:38,080
better

2235
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,280
and

2236
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,719
i don't know how much more you want out

2237
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,600
of her really yeah well i i

2238
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,679
appreciate it i always say i just

2239
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:48,080
appreciate how

2240
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:51,920
the question was framed really well like

2241
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:53,920
and it was right you know like out of

2242
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:58,080
144 cases this is what was you know

2243
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:00,639
classified as really weird these with

2244
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:03,280
multiple instruments like they laid out

2245
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,960
the the report

2246
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,120
perfectly and what it was trying to do

2247
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:10,400
in these within these 144 cases so i'm

2248
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:11,920
happy to see that

2249
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,040
and i don't know if you want to call

2250
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,840
this part of mainstream media but that a

2251
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,679
media outlet like this even though it's

2252
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:19,679
a church event

2253
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:24,400
political city in the country washington

2254
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,360
dc

2255
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,760
and um it's it's a it's a church with

2256
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:29,199
some

2257
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,199
significance within the political system

2258
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,199
uh because it attracts

2259
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:38,000
political uh uh people like an avril

2260
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,840
haynes um so i i i think it's

2261
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,840
refreshing to that they got the

2262
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:46,159
information right and that she answered

2263
01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:46,880
it

2264
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,520
um and i think the only way she could

2265
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:51,520
have because again anything past that

2266
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,120
she gets in trouble she might lose her

2267
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,440
job her security clearance her pension

2268
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:57,199
like those things matter to people i i

2269
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,679
hate to break it to everybody and uh and

2270
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,760
like jazz said even if you think it's

2271
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:03,840
conspiratorial

2272
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,840
you know

2273
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,800
they're i

2274
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,000
i know a lot of people probably don't

2275
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,880
like to hear this but i think there are

2276
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,360
very good reasons why they don't just

2277
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:15,760
spill the beans on all of this stuff and

2278
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,800
i think those reasons are very simple as

2279
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:21,120
they don't have answers to the questions

2280
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,760
people are going to really be asking and

2281
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,280
they don't want to

2282
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:27,600
appear foolish they also don't want to

2283
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,560
lose funding you know so you they want

2284
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,639
to keep this military apparatus alive

2285
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,560
and well because it protects our skies

2286
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,840
it protects our oceans it it's a beacon

2287
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:40,480
in other parts of the world that uh are

2288
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,400
are rife with disaster and war um

2289
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,480
and to threaten that

2290
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,440
just to answer yeah we got the bodies we

2291
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,320
got we got daily craft i just

2292
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:54,320
it's you're not putting yourself in the

2293
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,400
shoes of somebody who

2294
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:58,400
works in that

2295
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:59,280
um

2296
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,480
in that world

2297
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:02,239
and i don't and i even with that said i

2298
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,440
think it's very difficult to put

2299
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,880
yourself in the shoes of somebody who

2300
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,239
works in that world because you've never

2301
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:08,080
been in that world for the most part i

2302
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,719
know

2303
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,400
the other part of that forum by the way

2304
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,560
and i i'm sorry to interrupt but

2305
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,480
it was at the church you know it was at

2306
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:16,080
the cathedral right and one of the

2307
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,600
questions that we haven't really touched

2308
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,360
on they were asking you know like what

2309
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,120
if this is a reality what if there's

2310
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,760
something else and what does that say to

2311
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,520
our religious beliefs collectively

2312
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:27,040
across the planet with the many

2313
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,480
religions we have

2314
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,400
uh before we get done i'll if you don't

2315
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,040
mind i'll just very briefly share i had

2316
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,360
this conversation once with a friend and

2317
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,960
colleague of mine that i work with at

2318
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,719
salem at morrissey who is himself a

2319
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:39,760
deacon

2320
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,880
and i i asked him that question i said

2321
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,480
what would it mean

2322
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,920
to the world's really because we always

2323
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:47,360
hear the thing like the government

2324
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,480
doesn't want to tell us because there'd

2325
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:50,800
be a mass panic if there were aliens

2326
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:53,280
right and one aspect of that although

2327
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,080
there are many is that the religious

2328
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,760
people would be

2329
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,760
just totally freaked out

2330
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:01,520
and and i asked him i was like what

2331
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:02,800
would it mean if there was a second

2332
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,199
genesis what if we had proof

2333
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:07,760
that life evolved elsewhere because at

2334
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:09,280
least the christian religion in many

2335
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,320
religions

2336
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,960
all have this very earth-centric you

2337
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,000
know thing

2338
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,320
and he said you know i i don't claim to

2339
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,920
have all the answers

2340
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,159
but i was at a forum with a priest at

2341
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:22,239
one point where that question came up

2342
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:23,600
and he said something that really stuck

2343
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:24,480
with me

2344
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:25,600
and he said

2345
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,480
i and he's a catholic by the way um

2346
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:31,199
and the priest told him he goes

2347
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,400
if

2348
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:34,080
we need to think about it in that

2349
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,120
fashion

2350
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:36,880
i would just say to people

2351
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,280
that when god gave us the message when

2352
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,760
the bible was written when jesus came

2353
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:42,880
down

2354
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,600
god told us what we needed to know to

2355
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,360
get by

2356
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:49,520
if there's new information that shows up

2357
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,800
later

2358
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,440
then god will make that apparent

2359
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:55,520
and his whole take was

2360
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,199
finding a second genesis doesn't make

2361
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,520
the first genesis irrelevant

2362
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,080
you know so that was the mess that's not

2363
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,480
my message ed shared that with me and i

2364
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,480
wanted to share that with everybody

2365
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:08,800
because you know maybe that's how the

2366
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,960
church would adapt to it it's just like

2367
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:13,120
god gave us what we needed to get

2368
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,239
started

2369
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,000
now we've blossomed out into this whole

2370
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,239
new thing maybe there's new information

2371
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,480
and it will be made apparent to us i'm

2372
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,080
not trying to preach i'm not saying i'm

2373
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,080
the most religious i i think that sort

2374
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,920
of underlines the sentiments that the

2375
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:27,600
theologian at the end of the discussion

2376
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:28,960
with avi lopez

2377
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,000
david wilkinson david wilkinson uh he

2378
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:34,239
was basically said the exact same thing

2379
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:36,320
you know like the proof of alien life

2380
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,040
doesn't ex just

2381
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,760
avoid religion yeah

2382
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,159
it strengthens it it proves the

2383
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,360
existence of god and how great god is

2384
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,639
uh and and that he is a creator it it

2385
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,880
that's what god does

2386
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,080
he or she

2387
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:56,880
it it creates things and so you think it

2388
01:27:01,910 --> 01:27:00,080
just began and stopped with earth if if

2389
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:01,920
genesis is correct and all of this was

2390
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,639
made in a week you know then that means

2391
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,320
all right my job's done here let me go

2392
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:08,080
to another little blue dot and see what

2393
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,639
i can do over there like how many weeks

2394
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,719
did god have before he did us and how

2395
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,400
many weeks afterwards right right you

2396
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:16,880
know right how much vacation time did he

2397
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,149
we'll move on from the religion aspect

2398
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,080
but not before talking about pasulka i

2399
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,480
mean this is what she was trying to

2400
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:30,800
convey in her book cosmic

2401
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,280
american cosmic is this idea of religion

2402
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:34,960
moving into another

2403
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,080
uh landscape of what these ufos what

2404
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,639
these aliens might mean and is this a

2405
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:43,199
new form of religion and could

2406
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,920
the major religions around the world

2407
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,239
embrace this topic and infuse it into

2408
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,760
their um

2409
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,440
into their beliefs i mean if you look at

2410
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:53,679
a lot of the major religions they all

2411
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:56,480
kind of have the same core messages and

2412
01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:00,000
how would this topic uh eventually be

2413
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,480
embraced or rejected from that has

2414
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,480
always been a big interest of mine i've

2415
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,000
told the story on the show a few times

2416
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:08,159
but i asked my catholic priest during a

2417
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,120
confession mind you um is it okay for me

2418
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:13,679
to believe in aliens and to uh you know

2419
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,400
to pursue this topic because from other

2420
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,320
more um

2421
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,400
uh i guess dogmatic of those in my

2422
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,880
catholic church told me what i was doing

2423
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,400
was a sin and i shouldn't be looking at

2424
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,880
this god created man in his image that's

2425
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,679
it um but i was relieved when my priest

2426
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:32,719
told me yeah man like it just gives god

2427
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,239
more power and um opens up his you know

2428
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:38,480
what he was able to create so i think

2429
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,679
that's a lot of what we were kind of

2430
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:42,080
hearing in this cathedral event which i

2431
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,840
thought was very fascinating that it

2432
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,800
took place in a cathedral and um yeah

2433
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,800
jazz i agree i think um

2434
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:51,280
yeah we're moving into a new

2435
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,560
uh form of religion and i think the

2436
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,400
churches realize that

2437
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:59,120
they've probably seen numbers dwindling

2438
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,520
throughout the decades and maybe this is

2439
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,520
something that could bring people back

2440
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,800
to the church

2441
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,800
whatever they know or don't know again

2442
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,320
we have to wonder what does the vatican

2443
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:11,600
know about all this they did a e.t event

2444
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,159
um almost a year ago and tackled some of

2445
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,320
these issues as well so i know i'm kind

2446
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,920
of meandering with what i'm saying but i

2447
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,800
think

2448
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,639
there's a lot to this it's funny that

2449
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:22,560
this topic is bringing more people to

2450
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,110
and that's a good thing

2451
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,040
because the more people interact with

2452
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:33,440
yeah absolutely i mean

2453
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,600
the reason why our government is a mess

2454
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,639
is because we don't interact with it

2455
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:39,840
good point

2456
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,000
people don't know about it and how it

2457
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:44,480
works i can't tell you how many people

2458
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,719
some very publicly and others privately

2459
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,800
out on social media luis and i were both

2460
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,239
dealing with

2461
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:53,120
just in the past two days

2462
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,719
trying to get

2463
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,880
luis still continuing the big phone home

2464
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,280
2.5 you know and we tried to get

2465
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,000
information out call your senators the

2466
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,239
number of people who came back and had

2467
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,480
no idea how to do that

2468
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,480
or who the people were

2469
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:09,840
but they were like yeah we want to do

2470
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:12,639
that we we'll go ahead and help sure and

2471
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,199
getting feedback like i i tried calling

2472
01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,120
and i was hooked up with dunkin donuts

2473
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:19,280
or something you know and it's like

2474
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:20,560
because they don't even know who

2475
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,199
represents them so yeah i think this is

2476
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,360
attracting a lot more people and they're

2477
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,800
going to get more educated about how

2478
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:28,320
their government works and whether you

2479
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,560
care about ufos or not i think that's a

2480
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,480
good thing right because we live in a

2481
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,639
country all three of us that has a very

2482
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,480
participatory government

2483
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:38,159
and the more you know about it the

2484
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:39,120
better

2485
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,560
armed you are

2486
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:42,480
to to be able to go out and interact

2487
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:43,760
with the government make your voice

2488
01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,639
heard

2489
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,080
find other people you know and have

2490
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:48,560
debates and see how the sausage is made

2491
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,760
all that stuff

2492
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:51,600
and yeah i think this is

2493
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,080
you can remove ufos entirely this is

2494
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,840
still a net positive experience in my

2495
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:57,120
opinion

2496
01:31:00,870 --> 01:30:58,719
i love that yeah and someone asked in

2497
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,880
the chat actually um if my priesthood

2498
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:03,360
told me it was a sin would i have left

2499
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,320
the church and not pursued ufos and i

2500
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,239
can't really honestly answer that

2501
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,560
because i i don't know what i would have

2502
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:12,480
done i was a lot more

2503
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:15,440
um religious back then than i am now i'm

2504
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:18,159
spiritual i can admit that but uh in

2505
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:19,840
terms of being a

2506
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,280
practicing catholic i can say um

2507
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:26,000
i i think i would still be doing exactly

2508
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:28,000
what i'm doing today and i would find a

2509
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,560
way to embrace it in my life um with my

2510
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,880
religion so yeah that's to answer that

2511
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:35,440
question personally but um be i guess

2512
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:38,400
kind of wrapping up this event guys what

2513
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,000
other highlights did you have we had

2514
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:42,560
bezos saying i would know if aliens were

2515
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:44,560
out there musk has said the same thing

2516
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,080
and that always cracks me up that they

2517
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:48,400
think just because they're into

2518
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:49,840
that sort of stuff that they would know

2519
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:52,000
the answers jazz i know you gotta is is

2520
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,280
anybody gonna be offended because i

2521
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,520
gotta i gotta i gotta ring that bell

2522
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:57,199
brother i got two things i gotta do

2523
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:59,120
before the next show

2524
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,960
no any last word you want to give us

2525
01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:02,880
before you go um

2526
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:04,400
but please have a good day thank you

2527
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:06,880
thank you very much for having me i will

2528
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:09,600
confess i've never said this before

2529
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:11,040
i've never been invited to be on

2530
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,040
somewhere in the skies i was actually a

2531
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,360
little bit nervous when you asked oh my

2532
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:17,040
god because ryan has become such a

2533
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,600
superstar and i'm on like eight radio

2534
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,600
shows a week around the country and a

2535
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,600
bunch of shows and i was like i wanna do

2536
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:25,199
somewhere in the disguise i was actually

2537
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:26,880
a little bit nervous so thank you for

2538
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:29,199
having me really enjoyed it

2539
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,480
and uh you know guys support everything

2540
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:34,320
you see here they're going to tell you

2541
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:35,440
how to do it

2542
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,760
but if i could say anything else tied

2543
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:39,840
into the last thing we just talked about

2544
01:32:42,709 --> 01:32:41,040
if you're watching this you're

2545
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,719
interested in this topic

2546
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:44,080
get active

2547
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:45,360
sure support

2548
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:48,239
shows support uh journalists that do

2549
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:49,360
this work

2550
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,920
but get active yourself luis had a tweet

2551
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:53,920
earlier today and it basically on a

2552
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:56,080
paraphrase said you could either sit on

2553
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:58,159
the sideline drink in your juice box or

2554
01:33:01,990 --> 01:32:59,760
you could get out there and do something

2555
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,000
and there are things you can do and

2556
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,239
every one of you individually can do

2557
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:06,159
something that will help end government

2558
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:07,440
secrecy

2559
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:11,360
transparency

2560
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,400
so

2561
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:14,239
you know pick up the torch

2562
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:17,280
guys and gals you can do this

2563
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:19,040
so that's what i got thank you man i'm

2564
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:21,520
honored that you came on um we will have

2565
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,400
you on

2566
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:23,920
many more times in the future i

2567
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,199
guarantee that brother i i honor i value

2568
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,040
and treasure everything you have to say

2569
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,679
on this topic so um thank you thank you

2570
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:33,520
for taking the time to do this today my

2571
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,400
pleasure

2572
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,880
have fun over on prime time all right

2573
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:38,880
yep and louise i'll i'm sure i'll see

2574
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,010
you sometime next week so yeah probably

2575
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,360
[Laughter]

2576
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:45,920
all right brother to the dolphin king we

2577
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:48,400
bid you a dew have a great afternoon

2578
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,600
later jazz yep

2579
01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:54,000
and then there were two as always the

2580
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:56,480
man who's always willing to stick around

2581
01:34:02,790 --> 01:33:59,679
with me man um i we won't go much longer

2582
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:02,800
you've got a an afternoon and i gotta go

2583
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:05,199
to work soon to be completely honest pay

2584
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,880
them bills um if you want to help me pay

2585
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:09,040
the bill super chat is still open i'm

2586
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:11,600
not as good as at those plugs man as you

2587
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:15,040
are but um yeah dude yeah man look man

2588
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,800
you you you're a waiter ryan you know to

2589
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,960
an extent i'm a bartender

2590
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:21,760
well

2591
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,600
do you try to make that

2592
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,600
if you put a beer or a drink that you

2593
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,000
just made on the on the counter for a

2594
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,000
customer

2595
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:32,320
you're a respected tip and you're

2596
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:35,360
expected and it's not and it's not uh

2597
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:38,239
uncustomary for you to say hey you know

2598
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:40,000
all of this content that i just provided

2599
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:41,119
you for free

2600
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:42,239
of course if you can't support

2601
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:43,840
financially like share subscribe but if

2602
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:46,320
you can man join the patreon but i just

2603
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:48,239
bought a sweater and a t-shirt from you

2604
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:51,040
what during this oh my god thank you

2605
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:52,880
so i you know like and i've been meaning

2606
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,520
to buy this shirt for uh a while but now

2607
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:57,199
now i got it um

2608
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:58,000
and

2609
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:00,639
yeah man like it's

2610
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:03,280
there's no shame in asking

2611
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:04,320
for

2612
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:08,080
shouldn't be ashamed

2613
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:10,320
getting it like it's well thanks this is

2614
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,560
america man it's a capitalistic world

2615
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:14,560
and that's how things work

2616
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:15,920
unfortunately

2617
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,600
i've got bills to pay um and uh

2618
01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,520
and you know the dream

2619
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:23,679
and if people want to see more of this

2620
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,719
stuff

2621
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,880
the more they support the more

2622
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:29,199
opportunity it allows you to do this

2623
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,600
stuff it's it's very simple math you

2624
01:35:35,830 --> 01:35:33,199
know um it is

2625
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:35,840
we are street performers right or subway

2626
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:38,400
performers right yep you know absolutely

2627
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:41,280
like if if i'm

2628
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,440
like i said this a couple days ago like

2629
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:44,960
if you're walking down the street or if

2630
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,639
you're in a subway

2631
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,400
and you hear the street performer and

2632
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:50,159
you stop and you listen to the whole

2633
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,679
performance to a point where they whip

2634
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,000
out the bucket or they whip out the hat

2635
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:56,880
and they and they ask for patronage

2636
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,239
if i sat there and watched the show i'm

2637
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:00,560
going to patronize i'm go i'm going to

2638
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:02,719
give my money for the the show i just

2639
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,360
got basically for free and it was fun

2640
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,760
obviously i stopped right and i listened

2641
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,040
it's the same thing here we're street

2642
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:11,440
performers we are street performers in

2643
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,400
the simplest terms so you know don't be

2644
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:16,400
ashamed of that stuff

2645
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:19,920
no i appreciate a lot of my friends like

2646
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:20,639
get

2647
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:23,920
rid of that of that mindset it does you

2648
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,920
nothing it does you nothing and you're

2649
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,920
not gonna lose anybody

2650
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:30,080
by staying at the top at the end of your

2651
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,199
show hey there are ways to support

2652
01:36:33,669 --> 01:36:32,960
here's how you can do it please consider

2653
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:33,679
it

2654
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,159
there's there's no shame in that dude

2655
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,480
and uh and anybody who makes you feel

2656
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,239
any different kick get some go kick

2657
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,560
rocks like they're just

2658
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,080
they're they're useless in your life and

2659
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:46,000
they don't and and the reason why they

2660
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,280
they want to shame you is because they

2661
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:49,520
don't know how to do it themselves

2662
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:50,320
yep

2663
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:56,149
you're not selling a documentary about

2664
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,679
antarctica

2665
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:59,119
and never having stepped foot in

2666
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,920
antarctica okay like you're not selling

2667
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:04,400
information put behind a paywall

2668
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,119
that is top secret information that only

2669
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:09,280
you could get if you paid through the

2670
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:11,040
paywall like you're not doing any of

2671
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,719
these nefarious shady things you're

2672
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:14,480
doing it the right way you're pretty

2673
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:18,159
you're creating content in a in a new

2674
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:19,600
world

2675
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,880
where

2676
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,880
content creation

2677
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:25,040
has also met with

2678
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:25,840
with

2679
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:28,080
your audience supporting you you know

2680
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,119
like this is this is a pay-to-play world

2681
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:33,600
now and you don't have to pay but of

2682
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:36,400
course we appreciate when you do it it

2683
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:39,600
it it helps us be here for you and if

2684
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:42,719
you want more of us show us

2685
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,280
there's no shame in that no shame and

2686
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:47,840
you got you know michael and christian

2687
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,520
thank you guys that's awesome again i

2688
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,360
don't want to i don't want to talk about

2689
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,520
this too much we're here for oh it's you

2690
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,600
don't have to make it your your whole

2691
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,000
show but make it part of it because

2692
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,080
you've earned it you you put in the work

2693
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,400
and there's no shame in it dude uh and

2694
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,000
you shouldn't feel bad about people

2695
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,000
giving you money they want to they're

2696
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:07,840
nobody's putting a gun in anybody's head

2697
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,480
this is not forced uh patronage this is

2698
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,880
this is voluntarily and and and thank

2699
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,880
you guys for showing ryan that it's okay

2700
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,600
to do this um you know like it's hard

2701
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,760
for me yeah

2702
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:21,920
get rid of that get rid of that sean

2703
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:25,280
like it's well it's useless it's useless

2704
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,800
i know man it's you know you don't have

2705
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,560
to say it 1400 times a show i don't say

2706
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:30,400
it 1400 times that's not what it's about

2707
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:32,719
our show's not about making money but

2708
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:35,440
it's definitely part of it you know like

2709
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:37,760
it's okay and it's okay to say that like

2710
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:39,760
i'm trying to make a living i'm trying

2711
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:41,679
if i'm putting 60 hours in a week to

2712
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:42,840
give you free

2713
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,920
stuff i'm gonna ask for some some some

2714
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,239
some greenbacks baby well it's the same

2715
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,159
with you know john over at the black

2716
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:52,239
folk like we do these things because we

2717
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,600
love it um and we do spend 40 50 hours a

2718
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,840
week uh researching it i just released

2719
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,320
an episode about russia russian ufo

2720
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,639
cases and people gotta have you on the

2721
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,199
show and talk about yes we will um but

2722
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,119
you know that took me a month to

2723
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,600
research to uh to

2724
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,239
make i do everything myself from the

2725
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,960
recording to the editing to everything

2726
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:17,040
and um i have other researchers who help

2727
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,159
me um but i pay them because they do

2728
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,000
deserve to be paid for the time and

2729
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,400
effort and research they put into things

2730
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:26,719
as do content creators so i'll leave it

2731
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,280
at that lisa thank you so much for for

2732
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,760
the super chat um patreon up folks i do

2733
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,320
have a patreon as well guys patreon.com

2734
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:36,239
somewhere skies where i did release a

2735
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:38,480
bonus episode about a russian ufo case

2736
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:41,920
where a ufo dragged a train in soviet

2737
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,400
russia for over an hour so please go

2738
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,639
check that out on the patreon

2739
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,560
yeah it's it's a good one man can't wait

2740
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:50,719
to talk about the russian ufo files with

2741
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:53,679
you it's amazing but let's let's return

2742
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,880
um louise before we go brother um to

2743
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,040
this event what was the highlight for

2744
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,280
you i know avi loeb said a lot of really

2745
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:03,199
cool stuff but what did you take from

2746
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,719
the cathedral event did you think it

2747
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:06,800
helped further the conversation

2748
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,669
the highlight is that it's it's a

2749
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,280
cathedral event that happens all the

2750
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:15,119
time where where

2751
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,880
we're high

2752
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,480
level officials whether they be

2753
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,600
government whether they be um social

2754
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:23,520
you know um

2755
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:26,960
um outspoken activists things like that

2756
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:29,360
come to a cathedral and have a very

2757
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,360
level-headed calm

2758
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:34,080
conversation almost like mass masses

2759
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,320
coming to a point and it was done in the

2760
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,639
most powerful town in the country

2761
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:40,239
washington dc

2762
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:44,159
so it's adding a level of uh legitimacy

2763
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,920
to this discussion and that's what i

2764
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,840
took away i wouldn't say one i mean

2765
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:49,920
avril haynes was probably my favorite

2766
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,360
part

2767
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,080
i was hoping i think if we had bill

2768
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,040
nelson actually sitting there

2769
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,000
at the live event we would have gotten a

2770
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,159
couple more nuggets but because it was

2771
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,400
pre-recorded maybe he

2772
01:41:07,540 --> 01:41:07,119
he was just a little less

2773
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,550
um

2774
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,040
[Music]

2775
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,360
um what's the word i'm looking for sort

2776
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:12,719
of um

2777
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,030
what's the word uh

2778
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,600
uh gosh where you a little more guts you

2779
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,840
know i think in front of like

2780
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:27,360
you you understand the difference

2781
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,400
between doing a rehearsal versus doing

2782
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,880
the actual play and when you do the

2783
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,719
actual play there's more adrenaline

2784
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:36,239
there's people in the stand you want to

2785
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,719
get the applied body you know absolutely

2786
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,800
and and so i think i think if bill

2787
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:42,239
nelson was actually there that would

2788
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:43,280
have been

2789
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,239
to interact with avril they would have

2790
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,320
maybe had a back and forth on on sort of

2791
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:50,159
what nasa's seeing versus what the dna

2792
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:52,159
is seeing so that would have been really

2793
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:52,960
cool

2794
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:56,480
but again it's it's like the new yorker

2795
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,360
it's like uh the washington post it's

2796
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:02,080
like the new york times this is in that

2797
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:04,000
vein it's it's bringing this

2798
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:05,920
conversation

2799
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:09,600
to a city that holds very powerful

2800
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,920
lawmakers and it's giving them

2801
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:13,600
permission

2802
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:17,280
in a intellectual higher

2803
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,320
um

2804
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:20,800
level sort of discussion where where

2805
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:23,840
they're used to hanging around you know

2806
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,080
like um you know the the dni inspector

2807
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,480
probably doesn't listen to unidentified

2808
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,920
celebrity review or somewhere in the

2809
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,080
skies but i could bet your ass she

2810
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,400
probably reads the new yorker she

2811
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,800
probably reads the new york times and

2812
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,639
the washington post that she probably

2813
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:43,040
pays attention to conversations that

2814
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,040
have to do with the intelligence

2815
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:47,040
apparatus when they happen at this

2816
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,400
cathedral

2817
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,719
so i think that's my biggest takeaway is

2818
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,719
that it's normalizing

2819
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,280
the conversation and that

2820
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:58,000
is a good thing that's a good thing so

2821
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,600
that's that's sort of my biggest

2822
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:01,520
takeaway from the event

2823
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:03,920
i couldn't agree more again when i first

2824
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:05,280
heard about it online it was kind of

2825
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,320
weird but okay like what

2826
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:10,159
what else could be i'm going to hurry

2827
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,840
mirror in 2021 yeah so exactly a lot

2828
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:15,920
weirder [\h__\h] has happened in 2021 than

2829
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,040
this yeah um well speaking of weird my

2830
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:21,520
man before i let you go here what do you

2831
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,199
have coming up on the unidentified

2832
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:24,960
celebrity review tell us a little bit

2833
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,239
more about what you'll be talking about

2834
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,880
with avi loeb on uh friday yeah tomorrow

2835
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,960
um yeah i mean

2836
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,960
uh so well today we're gonna be talking

2837
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:35,119
to frank milburn on the senior

2838
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:37,679
singularity lab which will be

2839
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:39,600
um and then yeah abby's coming in on

2840
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,800
friday i mean i i really want to just

2841
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,280
i i first i booked peter robbins and

2842
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:47,520
then this avi loeb

2843
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:48,400
uh

2844
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,679
galileo project and lou lozando and

2845
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,280
christopher mellon and i asked michael

2846
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,679
i'm like we gotta get avi and so abby's

2847
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,440
only available date was friday so i was

2848
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:59,280
like hey peter

2849
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,719
how would you also like to help us

2850
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,840
interview

2851
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,920
excuse me bobby loeb and he was of

2852
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:05,600
course down

2853
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,920
yeah um and so you know i think

2854
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,920
you know exploring the the relationship

2855
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:13,760
between galileo

2856
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:16,239
and now this amendment is going to be

2857
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:18,840
fun to talk about but also

2858
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:21,679
bringing peter's

2859
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:24,719
i i don't want to say woo because peter

2860
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:28,400
is very level-headed but but peter's

2861
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:30,320
way of thinking with abby's way of

2862
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:32,080
thinking and see what happens when those

2863
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,239
two they're very different they're

2864
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,560
different but they're very intellectual

2865
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:37,920
to both of them

2866
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,520
um and uh i and i think it's gonna be a

2867
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,000
really really cool conversation so i

2868
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:45,520
mean you know that's

2869
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:47,840
i wouldn't say specifically you know

2870
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:49,119
what exactly we're going to talk about

2871
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:50,639
because we don't know until it happens

2872
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:52,159
but those are the things i'd like to

2873
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:53,760
sort of focus on and see where the

2874
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:55,679
conversation goes

2875
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:56,560
um

2876
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:58,960
and you know past that

2877
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:02,320
i i can't i don't have my uh so i do

2878
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,679
have my schedule in front of me but i'm

2879
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:05,760
still booking up december so you know

2880
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,520
it's it's holidays so it's a little more

2881
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,760
difficult to get guests i'm trying to

2882
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:11,679
get you on the show but you keep dodging

2883
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,590
i'm just kidding um kidding um but you

2884
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,360
know yeah man we're just i think the

2885
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,679
next month is going to be all about this

2886
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,199
amendment

2887
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:25,679
and what gets signed into law

2888
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:29,040
versus what's on in writing right now

2889
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,480
and you know

2890
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:33,520
like jazz said i mean look if jazz is

2891
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:35,440
confident

2892
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:37,600
jazz and he's very pragmatic about these

2893
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,679
things you know if he's confident and

2894
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:42,000
excited about the verbiage

2895
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:43,920
and that it's not going to change and

2896
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:45,760
it's probably going to get signed into

2897
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,199
law as is

2898
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:49,199
you know i think i think that's going to

2899
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:50,800
be very exciting

2900
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:54,560
that says a lot 2022 is going to be

2901
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,159
june june 24th 2022 is going because

2902
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:00,159
that's when this asro office is supposed

2903
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:02,960
to be 180 days after the bill signed

2904
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,800
into law so it's going to be the same

2905
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:07,280
date that we got the report on and and

2906
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,080
we're going to have a brand new office

2907
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:13,440
not a task force not some 22 million

2908
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:15,760
dollar crappily funded thing

2909
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,199
an actual budget with an actual office

2910
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:21,119
permanent office

2911
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,159
um but but

2912
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,320
once that office is established we have

2913
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:28,320
to give time to that office to then

2914
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:30,000
start working

2915
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:31,679
you know we got to give them no i want

2916
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:33,760
it now yeah i know they want it now but

2917
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,679
so which means and this is sort of what

2918
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:37,440
i've been saying is that

2919
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,480
2023 is going to be really fun

2920
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,119
a really fun year because the power of

2921
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,920
that office will have been fell and tell

2922
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:48,639
me and whatever information is that

2923
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:51,679
disseminated to that office will get

2924
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,000
into a classified report and then

2925
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:56,239
eventually get trickled down into a

2926
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,880
public report and and i'm sure i'm sure

2927
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,040
we're gonna get some really fun things

2928
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:05,440
to talk about maybe some videos maybe

2929
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,800
some pictures

2930
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:08,400
i i

2931
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:11,840
i think 2023 is shaping up to be

2932
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,840
the year that this conversation

2933
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:15,920
officially goes into fifth or sixth gear

2934
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:18,159
whichever gear we're in by then but i

2935
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,600
mean when the asro office is created

2936
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,400
i believe around that time also a

2937
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:26,639
book by one lou elizondo will also be

2938
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,360
coming out so 2022 is going to be fun

2939
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:31,440
but 2023 is going to be

2940
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,239
the fruits of the labor of everything

2941
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:37,119
that's been set into motion 2023 is

2942
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:38,480
going to be the year we actually get

2943
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,040
this i think see some results

2944
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,199
and then that'll continue into 2024 and

2945
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,119
hopefully be on and and and then i'm

2946
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,840
hoping that this asro office

2947
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:49,840
is established enough is doing enough

2948
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:51,199
good work

2949
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:52,080
where

2950
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,920
not only the american people but really

2951
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:55,440
the people in the senate armed services

2952
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:58,960
committee and the uh um

2953
01:48:02,790 --> 01:47:59,760
uh

2954
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:02,800
the committee on intelligence

2955
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:03,679
that

2956
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,000
the budget goes up or or

2957
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:14,400
hopefully not down or stays the same you

2958
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:16,960
know and that this office does in fact

2959
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:19,119
stay permanent

2960
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,679
so and influence the rest of the world

2961
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:24,080
we have to think about the impact our

2962
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,360
uap report had on other countries this

2963
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:29,440
gillibrand the rival countries this

2964
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:32,880
gillibrand amendment had already uh a a

2965
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,920
big

2966
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:36,239
influence on a senator in australia from

2967
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:37,679
tasmania

2968
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:40,159
you know uh you we've got they get all

2969
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,639
the boys that you uap media uk have

2970
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,719
written their templates for their house

2971
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:47,040
of parliament and people are sending it

2972
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,560
in this morning i just got a picture

2973
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,719
from somebody in france who had a stack

2974
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,600
of letters this thick to his french

2975
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,920
representatives asking them about this

2976
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:57,040
topic so

2977
01:49:04,870 --> 01:48:58,800
it's working

2978
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,880
other day uh ryan robbins ufo jesus

2979
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:07,440
you uh yeah last night put out a video

2980
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,199
on how to get in contact with your

2981
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,360
representatives with a phone number and

2982
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:13,360
a template of what to say

2983
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:16,320
so it's fun to see that people are sort

2984
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,880
of taking the formula they see the value

2985
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:20,880
in it and then making it their own which

2986
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:24,639
is exactly what we wanted to happen is

2987
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,599
again

2988
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,119
you know you could either sit on the

2989
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,960
sideline and drink your little juice box

2990
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,639
or you can get in the [\h__\h] game and

2991
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,639
help us change some stuff and it's not

2992
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:35,119
very difficult it's literally two phone

2993
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,080
calls

2994
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:39,040
big phone home website if you don't know

2995
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:41,119
how to find your local state rep you can

2996
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,639
find them there i would start with your

2997
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,960
senators the two senators in your state

2998
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,400
and then if you want to go to your

2999
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:48,080
congressman go for it

3000
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:51,599
but but let them know that you want this

3001
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:55,040
this amendment to pass as written

3002
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:57,280
be part of the game get in the game this

3003
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,280
is look in the mirror time again and

3004
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:02,239
it's not hard man like this is so easy

3005
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:04,639
and and trust me when i tell you you're

3006
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,599
gonna feel really good when you hang up

3007
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,760
that phone you're gonna feel like oh my

3008
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,440
god i accomplished something i'm gonna

3009
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:13,360
go celebrate i'm gonna have a beer i'm

3010
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:14,719
gonna smoke a joint i'm gonna go hang

3011
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,760
out with my buddies i'm gonna watch a

3012
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,040
movie i'm gonna play some video games

3013
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,280
whatever it is that you do to celebrate

3014
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,040
you're gonna feel good as soon as you're

3015
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:23,440
done making that phone call so you know

3016
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:25,440
i encourage everybody to pick up the

3017
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,639
phone and do that because it's it's it's

3018
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,400
coming with or without your help it's

3019
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,400
going to happen but we'd rather have

3020
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,639
your help because the more we have the

3021
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:36,800
better it is you have been a big part of

3022
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:40,239
that and i i will say this publicly i do

3023
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,400
think that what you have accomplished

3024
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:44,159
with ucr and the big phone home in

3025
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:46,960
general had a lot to do with what we're

3026
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,119
seeing now um you know how how much

3027
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:53,199
has yet to be seen but i mean i can tell

3028
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,119
you man you activated me to reach out to

3029
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,199
gillibrand one of my representatives and

3030
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:59,119
look what happened i'm not saying you

3031
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:00,800
know by any stretch of the imagination

3032
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,880
she read my email or anything like that

3033
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:05,360
but i reached out to my local reps too

3034
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:07,199
and got some responses and like you said

3035
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,360
like the minute they responded and said

3036
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,360
thank you for bringing this issue to my

3037
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,960
attention i don't know how much help i

3038
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,440
can be but this is interesting like that

3039
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:17,840
got my adrenaline going they actually

3040
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,000
took the time to respond and to um

3041
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,159
take the topic seriously you know they

3042
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,760
easily could have just put that email in

3043
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,840
the trash but they responded because

3044
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,080
they thought huh i i didn't even know

3045
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,639
this was happening at higher levels wow

3046
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,800
um i'm going to pay attention so you

3047
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:36,960
guys over there have done a lot man

3048
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:38,400
you've done a lot and you should be very

3049
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:40,719
i want to give i want to give credit to

3050
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:43,760
christopher mellon and lou elizondo um i

3051
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,599
think that especially chris i mean just

3052
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,239
look at the verbiage of this amendment

3053
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,679
this has got christopher mellen's name

3054
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:50,960
written all over

3055
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,400
this is a chris this should be called

3056
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:54,880
the melon amendment um but he's not a

3057
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,480
congressman so he's not gonna and i'm

3058
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:58,159
sure he doesn't even want the accolades

3059
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,000
for it but

3060
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,480
you know i think uh those are the guys

3061
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,560
that have really been

3062
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,719
and and that that that document that

3063
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,080
john greenwald showed us today where

3064
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,920
this is going back to 2018 where they're

3065
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,679
going to congress and they're giving

3066
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:13,840
private briefings to these senators and

3067
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,880
congressmen um behind the scenes and

3068
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:18,400
those are the things that really got the

3069
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,599
ball rolling into this amendment but i

3070
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:23,360
could tell you

3071
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,040
senator gillibrand

3072
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:26,480
get and i know

3073
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,199
i tweeted at her and we retweeted during

3074
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:31,360
the big phone home two at her at least

3075
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:33,360
three to four hundred times

3076
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,719
somebody saw that

3077
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,880
somebody said somebody did um i just got

3078
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,639
a voicemail yesterday from my

3079
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,239
congressman

3080
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:42,159
yeah and thank you yeah i got a

3081
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,320
voicemail yesterday from my congressman

3082
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,239
that today there's going to be a town

3083
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,000
hall that they want me to come and ask

3084
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,480
my question that i wrote him about

3085
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,480
during the big quote so i'm going to be

3086
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:55,119
doing that today so it's it's working

3087
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,000
it's working you know we we i see all

3088
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,480
the time people getting responses and

3089
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:02,639
and you know yeah you could write oh

3090
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:05,199
it's just a boilerplate response maybe

3091
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:07,040
but they had to do it they actually had

3092
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:09,520
to physically give you that response

3093
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:12,480
send it to you um and and read what you

3094
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:14,800
wrote them so it's

3095
01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:17,360
it's working but i'm not here to take

3096
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:20,320
any credit whatsoever this belongs to me

3097
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,199
just as much as it belongs to all of you

3098
01:53:27,430 --> 01:53:25,440
because all of you i ca i can't

3099
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,440
one phone call to my state and local

3100
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,040
reps is not going to move the ball on

3101
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:30,800
this a couple hundred

3102
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,239
might a few thousand will a few million

3103
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,000
will absolutely

3104
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:38,000
get what we want and that's what we're

3105
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,679
trying to do we still got a long way to

3106
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:42,080
go this is just the first step you guys

3107
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:44,880
like this is not a touchdown

3108
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:47,199
it's not a home run this is like you

3109
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:48,080
know

3110
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,719
you just hit a double into center and

3111
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,719
and and you're rounding first and but

3112
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:56,480
you got to stop at second because

3113
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,320
there's still more work to be done and

3114
01:54:01,589 --> 01:54:00,159
and and there's still people to lean on

3115
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,599
there's still people that can activate

3116
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:03,520
themselves there's still people that can

3117
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,119
can really help move this discussion in

3118
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,599
the way we all want to see it moved but

3119
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:11,520
if you're going to sit on the sideline

3120
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:13,119
and drink your juice box it's not going

3121
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:14,960
to happen as quickly as maybe you want

3122
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:15,679
so

3123
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,679
go let's get in it love it man yeah once

3124
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:22,080
you're on third base guys steal home

3125
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,239
plate and that's what's gonna happen

3126
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:26,880
exactly i love it my man well hey before

3127
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,840
we go good luck at the town hall and

3128
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:31,520
please let us know where we can find

3129
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,679
everything you're up to i will yeah

3130
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,159
absolutely uh so you could check us out

3131
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,880
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3132
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:40,800
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3133
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:43,760
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3134
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:46,080
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3135
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,040
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3136
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,440
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3137
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,040
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3138
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:53,920
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3139
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,159
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3140
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:57,840
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3141
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,880
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3142
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3143
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3144
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3145
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,360
once you google it you find it you

3146
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,760
subscribe you know it's pretty easy from

3147
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:11,280
there

3148
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,360
love it thank you brother thank you for

3149
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,280
your time today for reflecting on all

3150
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:17,679
this again i haven't i haven't done

3151
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,199
current events in a while so i couldn't

3152
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,920
think of better people to come on so uh

3153
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,760
that's all i got my man thank you so

3154
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,280
much for joining me and we will do it

3155
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:27,280
again soon all right anytime ryan

3156
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,960
sprague any

3157
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:30,000
time

3158
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:31,679
and i'm coming on i'm coming on your

3159
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:33,840
show you are i'm now sweating it dude

3160
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:42,229
and then there was one guys i couldn't

3161
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:44,960
have imagined this going better despite

3162
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,360
a few technical snafus on my part um

3163
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,520
thank you to john green greenwald for

3164
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,679
hopping in and joining us to bring us

3165
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,440
some of his latest breaking news thank

3166
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:55,440
you to all of you in the chat who

3167
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:58,239
contributed today um both financially

3168
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,719
and just with your amazing comments we

3169
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,119
had a wonderful discussion it felt so

3170
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:04,639
good to talk about what's going on in

3171
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:07,599
the world today of ufos um but i i will

3172
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,320
be returning to historical ufos over on

3173
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:12,960
the podcast soon i've got an awesome

3174
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:15,599
episode coming out with ufo cases you

3175
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,840
probably haven't heard of before some of

3176
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,400
you might if you're really old school um

3177
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,320
but other than that i want to thank

3178
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,320
everyone for the super chats for

3179
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:27,440
listening for watching today um

3180
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:30,239
the show is every monday wherever you

3181
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,239
get your podcast or right here on

3182
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,040
youtube where you're watching and um we

3183
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,040
got a lot of good stuff coming up guys

3184
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,199
um a lot of new projects in the works

3185
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,280
over at summer in the skies uh that i

3186
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:43,520
can't quite talk about yet but they are

3187
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:45,840
really i think going to uh

3188
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,320
to make some waves in the ufo world and

3189
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:51,119
beyond so i'm excited to hopefully

3190
01:56:57,550 --> 01:56:53,520
share news of that soon with our fellow

3191
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:57,560
friends over at the debrief so check out

3192
01:57:03,030 --> 01:56:59,840
thedebrief.org where you can find all

3193
01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:03,040
the latest in tech space defense uap and

3194
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:05,119
everything in between but other than

3195
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:07,679
that that's all i got guys so as usual i

3196
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,480
will leave you with our mantra here and

3197
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:13,199
that is to keep your feet on the ground

3198
01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:15,440
but never stop searching somewhere in

3199
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:17,360
the skies have a wonderful morning

3200
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:20,080
afternoon evening keep looking up and i

3201
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:22,080
will talk to all of you soon thank you